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[cycleguy55]

“At the time of Kyoto, if someone talked about climate change, they were talking about something that was abstract in the future,” said Marcia McNutt, the former U.S. Geological Survey director who was picked to run the National Academies of Sciences. “Now, we’re talking about changing climate, something that’s happening now. You can point to event after event that is happening in the here and now that is a direct result of changing climate.”

“I am quite stunned by how much the Earth has changed since 1997,” Princeton University’s Bill Anderegg said in an email. “In many cases (e.g. Arctic sea ice loss, forest die-off due to drought), the speed of climate change is proceeding even faster than we thought it would two decades ago.”

Eighteen years ago, the discussion was far more about average temperatures, not the freakish extremes. Now, scientists and others realize it is in the more frequent extremes that people are truly experiencing climate change.

Witness the “large downpours, floods, mudslides, the deeper and longer droughts, rising sea levels from the melting ice, forest fires,” former Vice President Al Gore, who helped negotiate the 1997 agreement, told The Associated Press. “There’s a long list of events that people can see and feel viscerally right now. Every night on the television news is like a nature hike through the Book of Revelation.”

Studies have shown that man-made climate change contributed in a number of recent weather disasters. Among those that climate scientists highlight as most significant: the 2003 European heat wave that killed 70,000 people in the deadliest such disaster in a century; Hurricane Sandy, worsened by sea level rise, which caused more than $67 billion in damage and claimed 159 lives; the 2010 Russian heat wave that left more than 55,000 dead; the drought still gripping California; and Typhoon Haiyan, which killed more than 6,000 in the Philippines in 2013.

There's more, lots more, at From Kyoto to Paris: How the world’s climate has changed in 18 years - National | Globalnews.ca

[Tim7139]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

“At the time of Kyoto, if someone talked about climate change, they were talking about something that was abstract in the future,” said Marcia McNutt, the former U.S. Geological Survey director who was picked to run the National Academies of Sciences. “Now, we’re talking about changing climate, something that’s happening now. You can point to event after event that is happening in the here and now that is a direct result of changing climate.”

“I am quite stunned by how much the Earth has changed since 1997,” Princeton University’s Bill Anderegg said in an email. “In many cases (e.g. Arctic sea ice loss, forest die-off due to drought), the speed of climate change is proceeding even faster than we thought it would two decades ago.”

Eighteen years ago, the discussion was far more about average temperatures, not the freakish extremes. Now, scientists and others realize it is in the more frequent extremes that people are truly experiencing climate change.

Witness the “large downpours, floods, mudslides, the deeper and longer droughts, rising sea levels from the melting ice, forest fires,” former Vice President Al Gore, who helped negotiate the 1997 agreement, told The Associated Press. “There’s a long list of events that people can see and feel viscerally right now. Every night on the television news is like a nature hike through the Book of Revelation.”

Studies have shown that man-made climate change contributed in a number of recent weather disasters. Among those that climate scientists highlight as most significant: the 2003 European heat wave that killed 70,000 people in the deadliest such disaster in a century; Hurricane Sandy, worsened by sea level rise, which caused more than $67 billion in damage and claimed 159 lives; the 2010 Russian heat wave that left more than 55,000 dead; the drought still gripping California; and Typhoon Haiyan, which killed more than 6,000 in the Philippines in 2013.

There's more, lots more, at From Kyoto to Paris: How the world’s climate has changed in 18 years - National | Globalnews.ca

Really??? You're going to quote Al Gore?? Who's next Kermit the frog?
Yet another" studies have shown" series of bull..it factoids.
You want some facts? Read the major piece in Sat. WSJ that was co authored by a member of the IPCC. It covers a wealth of information on, for instance, the reliance on less than accurate modeling, how many embellish the most aggressive predictions rather than the most probable, the utter lack of accuracy on model based formulations, and the fact that AGAINST MANY IPCC SCIENTISTS, their recent publication was based more on politics not science.
It was real confidence inspiring.
It also posed the interesting question , yet unanswered, as to why, on several occaisions, the planet was warmer over the last 10,000 years with far less Co2.

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by Tim7139

You want some facts? Read the major piece in Sat. WSJ that was co authored by a member of the IPCC. It covers a wealth of information on, for instance, the reliance on less than accurate modeling, how many embellish the most aggressive predictions rather than the most probable, the utter lack of accuracy on model based formulations, and the fact that AGAINST MANY IPCC SCIENTISTS, their recent publication was based more on politics not science.

The WSJ piece was actually opinion - and stated as such.

However, claims that the IPCC does not accurately represent the views and findings of the scientists, on whose work the IPCC reports are based, are not supported by the facts.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/Hul...-consensus.htm

[Tim7139]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

The WSJ piece was actually opinion - and stated as such.

However, claims that the IPCC does not accurately represent the views and findings of the scientists, on whose work the IPCC reports are based, are not supported by the facts.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/Hul...-consensus.htm

I'm trying to be patient, and I'll try and translate this from English to Canadian. Yes, it is an op Ed piece........from a guy that sits ON THE IPCC.

By the way, he national news coverage has been great today, especially covering an overriding theme of the G20 conference, a global need for the wealthy industrial countries (USA) to fund the poor 3rd world countries efforts to become green......or loosely translated, sending them billions so corrupt 3rd world officials can line their pockets.......again.

Please copy the yoopers from Saskatoon.

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The conspiracy is growing Tim -

Some 150 world leaders from U.S. President Barack Obama to Prime Minister Enele Sopoaga of Tuvalu gathered in Paris on Monday to open a summit meant to
secure the world's most ambitious pact on climate change.
HIGHLIGHTS-World leaders open Paris climate change talks | Reuters

Forget the USA, how do you explain the other 149 world leaders on board with taking Climate Change action? Oh, I know - it's a global conspiracy now

[cycleguy55]

How prophetic: [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpiIWMWWVco[/ame]

[Joe's Garage]

Bringing the information and evidence doesn't mean it will be read, in this case I think I see the problem.

[bliss]

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[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Bringing the information and evidence doesn't mean it will be read, in this case I think I see the problem.

I was thinking more like this:

[cycleguy55]

“This is certainly the most exciting thing I’ve worked on,” Aziz says, “because the implications are so global. The greatest challenge facing humanity this century —I’m convinced — is finding the energy to power a civilization of 10 billion people without unacceptable consequences to the environment. Renewable energy is front and center in that challenge, and this could really be a very significant enabler of renewable energy.”

While the cost of renewable energy sources (e.g. solar, wind, tidal) have been dropping, in some cases quite markedly (e.g. solar), one of the key issues has been the variability and/or unpredictability of it. That, of course, has required near instantaneous sources of power generated via other means which must be online or near-online (e.g. natural gas turbines).

Flow batteries, OTOH, could store renewable energy in tanks limited only by the size and number of such tank farms. Further, the energy stored in the tanks could be measured and metered in a predictable fashion, allowing better prediction and significant extension of the 'window' to bring traditional sources of power online.

Still perhaps a few years from commercial availability, but nonetheless a promising technology. A breakthrough may make the mega flow battery commercially viable in the near future | Public Radio International

[Tim7139]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

“This is certainly the most exciting thing I’ve worked on,” Aziz says, “because the implications are so global. The greatest challenge facing humanity this century —I’m convinced — is finding the energy to power a civilization of 10 billion people without unacceptable consequences to the environment. Renewable energy is front and center in that challenge, and this could really be a very significant enabler of renewable energy.”

While the cost of renewable energy sources (e.g. solar, wind, tidal) have been dropping, in some cases quite markedly (e.g. solar), one of the key issues has been the variability and/or unpredictability of it. That, of course, has required near instantaneous sources of power generated via other means which must be online or near-online (e.g. natural gas turbines).

Flow batteries, OTOH, could store renewable energy in tanks limited only by the size and number of such tank farms. Further, the energy stored in the tanks could be measured and metered in a predictable fashion, allowing better prediction and significant extension of the 'window' to bring traditional sources of power online.

Still perhaps a few years from commercial availability, but nonetheless a promising technology. A breakthrough may make the mega flow battery commercially viable in the near future | Public Radio International

And the point is, it hasn't been found, not even close, so like it or not fossil fuels dominate until you and your troll buddy are gone.....producing methane......contributing to global warming.

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by Tim7139

And the point is, it hasn't been found, not even close, so like it or not fossil fuels dominate until you and your troll buddy are gone.....producing methane......contributing to global warming.

As pointed out in the linked article, had you bothered to read it: "...it will take about three years to develop commercial systems ready for scale." That's 3, not 30 or 300 - so really not that far away though, to be fair, it's still an estimate, not a guarantee.

There is no doubt fossil fuels will dominate for years, though lower cost renewable energy sources, carbon taxes and technologies such as flow batteries will accelerate the transition away from fossil fuels. The question is not if, but when.

The global transition to clean, renewable energy and away from nuclear and fossils is well under way, with remarkable developments happening every day. The Great Transition by Lester Brown, Janet Larsen, Matt Roney and Emily Adams lays out a tremendous range of these developments – here are seven that may surprise you: 7 Surprising Realities Behind the Transition to Renewable Energy | Alternet

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Brian, a lot of new energy tech on the horizon, I'm watching Compact Fusion development which will really move this planet into a new era of energy independence - the break-through game changer of all time if it comes to fruition.

Compact Fusion · Lockheed Martin

Tim, thanks for doing your part in preventing your own methane from entering the earth's atmosphere

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Brian, a lot of new energy tech on the horizon, I'm watching Compact Fusion development which will really move this planet into a new era of energy independence - the break-through game changer of all time if it comes to fruition.

Compact Fusion · Lockheed Martin

Tim, thanks for doing your part in preventing your own methane from entering the earth's atmosphere

Researchers have been chasing the elusive fusion reactor energy source for a long time - I wish them well!

[Tim7139]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Brian, a lot of new energy tech on the horizon, I'm watching Compact Fusion development which will really move this planet into a new era of energy independence - the break-through game changer of all time if it comes to fruition.

Compact Fusion · Lockheed Martin

Tim, thanks for doing your part in preventing your own methane from entering the earth's atmosphere

That's so cute, the and kiddies get you a back to the future dvd?
Ok I guess I'm probably done with this thread. I know I'm dealing with a troll, but a delusional troll??? More than I can bear.
Oh by the way, clue in your brother in arms, he lives in a country whose entire economy is based on mining, minerals, and fossil fuels.
Oh, Joe, might want to have the doc get those meds levels worked out.

[Joe's Garage]

Yes Tim, you are out of your element here so best to run along, don't let the door slam ya in the ass on the way out. I thought the pictures would help as they require no analytical skills to understand, oh well. To your credit you did prove out what Ron White has been saying for years, "you can't fix stupid". Welcome to the 7% idiot club

[cycleguy55]

Although 97 percent of climate scientists insist climate change is real and caused by human actions, 56 percent of Republicans in Congress deny these atmospheric changes, according to Think Progress. Some conservative commentators have gone so far as to describe climate change as a "hoax."

Yet the facts are undeniable. Sea levels and global temperatures are rising (this year is on track to become the hottest on record), glaciers are melting, and ice sheets are shrinking at unprecedented rates. CO2 levels have also shot up dramatically since the Industrial Revolution -- suggesting these events are very likely a product of human activities.

"Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal," the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has declared.

How is it possible to deny this overwhelming evidence that global warming is real and humans contribute to it?

For starters, many leaders and corporations -- such as ExxonMobile -- have a strong financial incentive to ignore the facts. But there are many other subtle reasons why people might turn a blind eye to research. Here's what social scientists have to say about the psychology of climate change deniers.

• They seek out information that confirms their beliefs -- and ignore anything that challenges them.
• They don't trust scientists, and listen instead to high-profile skeptics.
• They get stuck in "echo chambers."

More detail at Why Some Conservatives Can't Accept That Climate Change Is Real

[Joe's Garage]

Ask the 2016 GOP candidates if they believe in evolution
Maybe that's their problem with accepting Climate Change, if fossils don't exist, then fossil fuels can't be a contributor

[bliss]

By the way, Joe - how do you justify owning a Cobra given the low gas mileage, assuming you do own one?

[Joe's Garage]

By the way, Joe - how do you justify owning a Cobra given the low gas mileage, assuming you do own one?

Simple, I'll put about 360 miles/year on it once it's built.

BTW, I already have an electric lawnmower and solar panels on my roof. My daily driver is a 4 cylinder Honda which I drive about 10 miles/week (I'm retired). Go out and look at the traffic on any hwy, 50% or more are SUV's and trucks hauling one passenger. I have no problem at all justifying a limited use cobra for a few years.