Gun Control

[Tenrocca]

Another day and another mass shooting in the USA.

Seriously, just when are you going to do something about gun control? The rest of the world just looks on and wonders just how dumb can such a clever country be.

In Australia, we had at the time the worst lone gunman mass shooting in history, so we collected 700000 guns for which there was no real justification for them being out in public. I handed in a gun (was on the land at the time) that really wasnt required (a SKS).

Since then, in Australia, the risk of dying by someone with a gun has halved.

[cycleguy55]

Part 1:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0[/ame]

Part 2:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9UFyNy-rw4[/ame]

Yeah, he's an Aussie, but he makes a lot more sense than the pro-gun, 2nd Amendment babble we hear from way too many people.

[Tenrocca]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

Part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

Part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9UFyNy-rw4

Yeah, he's an Aussie, but he makes a lot more sense than the pro-gun, 2nd Amendment babble we hear from way too many people.

Now its a little too late, but what I really should have done is just quoted Cycleguys post of these 2 videos and left it at that.

Finally got around to watching these - have not laughed soo hard in ages. So even if you are "Pro-gun", take 15 minutes and have a watch. It really is worth it for comedy value alone. A little bit of profanity but nothing you haven't heard before.

And seriously Armrer - go back to kindergarten with your 6year old comments. Good job with the Challenger d'head.

[Armrer]

And seriously Armrer - go back to kindergarten with your 6year old comments. Good job with the Challenger d'head.[/quote]

That's the best a self-loathing apologist can do? Wag your finger at someone else, tosser.

[cycleguy55]

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsdH40gANlk[/ame]

[cycleguy55]

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUwb3Z2Klrk[/ame]

[DWRAT]

We will NEVER turn in our guns.

[69boss429]

When Grandad was asked why he carried a gun he replied
"because a cop is to heavy"

[Tenrocca]

Originally Posted by DWRAT

We will NEVER turn in our guns.

Great comeback and brilliant logic there. Thats the spirit (and one of the reasons why you will prob have another mass shooting next week)

I wonder if one of your kids or family were killed by some lunatic with a gun you would feel any differently.

[DWRAT]

Originally Posted by Tenrocca

I wonder if one of your kids or family were killed by some lunatic with a gun you would feel any differently.

Yes, I would feel different. I would want even more guns to protect myself and what's left of my family.

[sea2jet]

Almost all of these mass shootings are happening in the states that have the strictest gun control laws. Also, the ones pulling the triggers are almost always liberal in their beliefs.

[Tenrocca]

Originally Posted by DWRAT

Yes, I would feel different. I would want even more guns to protect myself and what's left of my family.

Of course you would take your new guns to the office xmas party just in case.....

Originally Posted by sea2jet

Almost all of these mass shootings are happening in the states that have the strictest gun control laws. Also, the ones pulling the triggers are almost always liberal in their beliefs.

Unless you have customs or border control between states that have tougher gun laws and those that don't, this is a ridiculous argument.

[DWRAT]

Originally Posted by Tenrocca

Of course you would take your new guns to the office xmas party just in case.....

I take my gun with me every where I go, even the x-mas party...

[Tenrocca]

Originally Posted by DWRAT

I take my gun with me every where I go, even the x-mas party...

One hand gun against 3 guys with assault rifles?

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by Tenrocca

:

Unless you have customs or border control between states that have tougher gun laws and those that don't, this is a ridiculous argument.

We don't even have border control between our neighboring countries. Mexican cartels would love to add profitable business of running guns across the border to criminals, to their other product lines. Canadian border - less controversial but mostly unguarded except for established crossings.

We have guns because of our Constitution and our will (at least originally) to have freedom and to protect those freedoms. Having freedom wasn't ever promised to exist without negatives and the occassion of persons who would abuse it. There is a cost associated with it. The 2nd amendment is not only a part of our Constitution, but it's part of the original Bill of Rights and that doubles down on those guarantees. Anyone who tries to mess with the Bill of Rights is taking a step towards destroying our country from within IMO.

And yes, gun owners interpretation of the 2nd amendment has been upheld by the courts. So unless you forsee a constitutional amendment being passed, it ain't happening. And there is no widespread public support for any such attempt. And how anyone thinks the 400 - 500 million firearms in existance in the US (or whatever the no) are going to go away due to any Government action is what is supposed to be a Democratic Republic is nutty. Anyone with a nicely equipped machine shop can manufacture a gun - they have been doing it in the caves of Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and many other countries for decades and decades. I won't even mention 3D printers since those attempts have been pretty crude so far.

Most of our shootings deal with three things - inner-city ghetto/gang violence, terroist attacks and mentally ill people running around on the loose because liberals insist on mainstreaming them. Deal with the root cause of these 3 issues and it will make an impact.

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by sea2jet

Almost all of these mass shootings are happening in the states that have the strictest gun control laws. Also, the ones pulling the triggers are almost always liberal in their beliefs.

Wrong.

The ammosexual culture of America will have you believe that unless you live an urban area where gangs of “thugs”... are eagerly looking to kill you and each other, that gun violence is non-existent. They keep their weapons handy just in case one of those “thugs” happens to wander into the place they live, protecting ‘Murika with promised vigilante justice.

They will also tell you that stricter gun laws do nothing but prevent law-abiding citizens from owning guns they may need to shoot back at all the criminals who threaten their existence. How laws designed to allow ONLY law-abiding citizens to buy guns is keeping guns from law-abiding citizens is a bit of a conundrum, but the conservatives have it all worked out in their tiny, shallow minds, so there doesn’t need to be any discussion about it.

In reality, the top ten states for gun violence have some of the easiest gun laws. Many also have fewer residents in their entire state than many of those dangerous urban areas they love to talk about have in their city. All of the states on the list are controlled by Republican legislatures. None of them require any kind of a permit to purchase or own a gun. Most can be considered predominately rural, with some being downright empty, yet still you’re more likely to end up on a slab with a bullet in you than if you live in Illinois, California or New York.

Without further ado, here's the Top 10 list:
10. Tennessee ~15.4 deaths per 100K residents.
9. New Mexico ~15.5 deaths per 100K residents.
8. Oklahoma ~ 16.5 deaths per 100K residents.
7/6 (tie) Montana ~ 16.7 deaths per 100K residents.
7/6 (tie) Wyoming ~ 16.7 deaths per 100K residents.
5. Arkansas ~ 16.8 deaths per 100K residents.
4. Alabama ~ 17.6 deaths per 100K residents.
3. Mississippi ~ 17.8 deaths per 100K residents.
2. Louisiana ~ 19.3 deaths per 100K residents
1. Alaska ~ 19.8 deaths per 100K residents

The Top 10 States For Gun Deaths–Guess How Many Are Blue With Strict Gun Control Laws (IMAGES) | If You Only News

[kanuck]

The best 6 min you can spend on the subject.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE[/ame]

Dean

[fordracing65]

I have so many guns, please, come try to take mine...

[Tenrocca]

Originally Posted by kanuck

The best 6 min you can spend on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE

Dean

What an idiot that guy is. What 1st world country on that list of murder\capita was higher than USA? None. Why? because ever ynation with a higher per capita murder rate is a third world country. But well done on beating all of those guys. Awesome work.....

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by kanuck

The best 6 min you can spend on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE

Dean

Irrelevant comparing Honduras murder rate to the U.S. - in order to make such comparisons meaningful you need to normalize for all factors other than gun ownership rates which, of course, is pretty much impossible. The socioeconomic factors are so different they radically skew any results.

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