Global Warming

[Ron61]

Flip,

Look at the favor you would be doing the world. Plug the volcanoes, let them blow and there is a huge hole for the extra water from the melting glaciers to go into. And who knows, maybe some of the islands would land on the mainland. Boy wouldn't that be a lawyers dream. Your house and yard are on my property but since it belongs to you I can't touch it.

Ron

[imagine2frolic]

Yesterday while listening to an interview of Jim Rogers the head of Duke Electric, the third largest user of coal. He admits the industry needs to change it's ways. He did not give a percentage of contribution to the problem. He did accept being a major part of the problem though.

A.Harris, once again it is the knee bone connected to the thigh bone. Everything is connected in some form, or another. You hurt your foot, and your back aches, because you are walking differently.

[bomelia]

Originally Posted by VRM

I was listening to some right wing talk radio the other day (Limbaugh is a moron) and they were saying that global warming is not caused by humans and that eventually the climate will spin out of control and that there is nothing we can do about it.

So when has the climate ever been IN control??

Steve

I gave myself a couple of days to respond to this. The problem with calling Limbaugh a moron is that is your personal opinion...and it is not defensible. Its just name calling. I remember once calling McCain a moron and getting flamed for doing so. However, you get away with this name calling. Another problem with calling someone like Limbaugh a moron is that you are in effect calling everybody else who respects him a moron too. Why don't you keep those kind of judgements to yourself? I dare say Limbaugh is a wee bit smarter than you whether you like that or not.

Mike

[VRM]

Originally Posted by bomelia

I gave myself a couple of days to respond to this. The problem with calling Limbaugh a moron is that is your personal opinion...and it is not defensible. Its just name calling. I remember once calling McCain a moron and getting flamed for doing so. However, you get away with this name calling. Another problem with calling someone like Limbaugh a moron is that you are in effect calling everybody else who respects him a moron too. Why don't you keep those kind of judgements to yourself? I dare say Limbaugh is a wee bit smarter than you whether you like that or not.

Mike

Mike,

First, I'd like to say that I agree with you and it is not defensible. If we had a different history then I might have even apologised for the offence.

Second,

Originally Posted by bomelia

I think Limbaugh is a genious. Bill Marh (sp??)... now he is a smart moron.

I'm going to say that you can't take it, then don't dish it out.

Third, I'm going to remind you of all the names you have called Democrats, people against the Iraq war, 'head rags', and so on. Those are often direct insults to many of my friends, family, or co-workers - so I see little reason why I should be sympathetic.

If you have had a change of heart regarding your own name-calling - feel free to let me know.

Steve

edit - spelled Democrat correctly.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by bomelia

I gave myself a couple of days to respond to this. The problem with calling Limbaugh a moron is that is your personal opinion...and it is not defensible.

Sure it's defensible-Limbaughs actions/comments make it defensible.And everyone has a right to their "opinion"-as wrong as it may be.
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Its just name calling.

And yer point is?
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Another problem with calling someone like Limbaugh a moron is that you are in effect calling everybody else who respects him a moron too.

Who says they're morons?Where is this written?Maybe they're un-informed.Maybe they're young and know no better.Maybe they have liberal parents who have been feeding them bull$hit all of their lives.Then again,they MIGHT just be morons.But who's to say?
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Why don't you keep those kind of judgements to yourself?

Since none of us know him we can not judge.We can only offer OPINIONS.And there are a few people on CC here i've had disagreements with in the past,but i wouldn't think of telling them not to post their opinions.
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I dare say Limbaugh is a wee bit smarter than you whether you like that or not.
Why-'Cause he's on the radio?

Mike

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[392cobra]

ABC and Hansen (and, no doubt, NPR) are having kittens, naturally!! But good for Griffin! I would think NASA has enough to handle, being responsible in the USA for all of space. And, providing accurate information.

But, not if its workers are knee-jerk libs. Then it's saving the earth -- as if they could or even knew how. Much less have enough of our taxes to do it. These are no impediments to libs, of course.

Their real goals -- redistributing our money. Telling us how to live.





ABC News

NASA's Top Official Questions Global Warming
NASA Administrator Michael Griffin Questions Need to Combat Warming

By CLAYTON SANDELL and BILL BLAKEMORE

May 31, 2007 —

NASA administrator Michael Griffin is drawing the ire of his agency's preeminent climate scientists after apparently downplaying the need to combat global warming. (Griffin is threatening the Job Security of Al Gore's True Believers)

In an interview broadcast this morning on National Public Radio's "Morning Edition" program, Griffin was asked by NPR's Steve Inskeep whether he is concerned about global warming.

"I have no doubt that a trend of global warming exists," Griffin told Inskeep. "I am not sure that it is fair to say that it is a problem we must wrestle with."

"To assume that it is a problem is to assume that the state of Earth's climate today is the optimal climate, the best climate that we could have or ever have had and that we need to take steps to make sure that it doesn't change," Griffin said. "I guess I would ask which human beings  where and when  are to be accorded the privilege of deciding that this particular climate that we have right here today, right now is the best climate for all other human beings. I think that's a rather arrogant position for people to take." Amen!

Griffin's comments immediately drew stunned reaction from James Hansen, NASA's top climate scientist at the Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York.

"It's an incredibly arrogant and ignorant statement," Hansen told ABC News. "It indicates a complete ignorance of understanding the implications of climate change." Nuts!
Hansen believes Griffin's comments fly in the face of well-established scientific knowledge that hundreds of NASA scientists have contributed to. (Most of them trying to hold to their jobs.)

"It's unbelievable," said Hansen. "I thought he had been misquoted. It's so unbelievable."

News media inquiries to NASA headquarters about Griffin's comments prompted the space agency to make the unusual move of issuing a news release late Wednesday night.

"NASA is the world's preeminent organization in the study of Earth and the conditions that contribute to climate change and global warming," Griffin said in a statement. "The agency is responsible for collecting data that is used by the science community and policy makers as part of an ongoing discussion regarding our planet's evolving systems. It is NASA's responsibility to collect, analyze and release information. It is not NASA's mission to make policy regarding possible climate change mitigation strategies. As I stated in the NPR interview, we are proud of our role and I believe we do it well." (Well, there is one man's unbiased opinion!)
Hansen, featured prominently in Al Gore's global warming documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," has been warning of the potential dangers of climate change since the 1980s.

In late 2005, he accused NASA of trying to improperly censor him after he warned that Earth's climate might be approaching a dangerous "tipping point."

The agency later fired a public affairs employee, a political appointee of the Bush administration, over the incident.

Last year, many NASA scientists were upset when reports surfaced that the agency had quietly deleted the phrase "to understand and protect our home planet" from the NASA mission statement. The scientists believe research on issues like climate change will suffer as NASA shifts priorities toward exploration missions to the moon and Mars.

"Earth has always been central to NASA's science," Hansen said. ( Hansen's statement is nonsense! It has been NASA's mission to get off the Earth and out of its environment and influence. Climate Change has never been one of to their missions. The Weather boys are trying to expand their charter to increase their job security!!!!)

Copyright © 2007 ABC News Internet Ventures

[Cobrabill]

Here's a poser:I was recently looking at a list of surviving B-17 Flying Fortresses.Two of them are in Greenland.They went down during shuttle missions to Europe during the war.So we can can safely assume they crashed somewhere between 1942 and May of 1945.

They are under TWO-HUNDRED & FIFTY FEET of ice.Someone explain this one.

[HI Cobra]

I recently saw a thread where about 4 P-38's (I think) that got lost and ran
out of fuel and landed in the Artic somewhere in the '40's. They found
them and tunneled down at least 200' to get to one and had to take it apart
to bring it up piece by piece. Very expensive undertaking and not easy.
The pilots were all picked up BTW and the planes were left there.
The finding of these planes happened recently - within the last ten years.

[Ron61]

I watched both of those shows on TV and they were interesting. I think it was one of the P-38s they have restored and actually took it on a short test flight. The conditions were so bad some of the people were threatening to quit during the finding and digging down to recover these planes. Also if I remember correctly, the first people looking for them couldn't find them because they looked where they landed. They forgot the glaciers move and I believe one of them was over 2 miles from where they left it.

Ron

[J. T. Toad]

they know that the seas will shrink... or are they banking on a FEMA/gov't subside?

http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/05/maga...ion=2007060509

Forget global warming: Beach property is hot
You'd think that the prospect of flooded coasts would mean that beachfront real estate prices would be sinking. But you'd be wrong. Fortune's Jon Birger dives into the topic.
FORTUNE Magazine
By Jon Birger, Fortune senior writer