No Amnesty part 2

[Michael4yah]

Ron61,Stengun,
Its 40 million. Thats how many are no longer in Mexico, Honduras, Guatamala,El Salvador. I bet we have close to 12-15 million here in Ca, Nv, Az, alone. Yes, they will tip the balance of all things in this country,. Never has a country in History suffered such an invasion and was able to hang onto its cultural values or its ecconomy. Its do or die for the good ole US of A.
Thanks for reading my post above, I know it was long but I was really wound up!! Never give up, To ALL illegal Aliens its OUT OUT OUT!
Michael

[Ron61]

Michael,

I agree with you completely. I have no argument at all about deporting all illegal aliens and fining or shutting down the places that employ them. Let them get their hand outs, welfare, and medical from their own countries. I love this country and after seeing some of the so called 3rd world countries, I feel even more privileged that I was born here. But with all of the Morons and politicians that want to let them keep coming in here and taking over this country, I don't know how it could be done. I guess the politicians don't realize that once they get the vote, most of them will be out of office as they will put their own people in and Americans will just be second class citizens in our own country.

Ron

[392cobra]

I don't know if Dick Lamm really said the following.
doesn't really matter though.It does speak to a lot of the points y'all have made and I agree with.

"We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream. Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"


"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."



Lamm went on: "Second, to destroy America, invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds."



"Third, we could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.' Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."



"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."



"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."



"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."



"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits. Make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."



In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book 'Mexifornia.' His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book." There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America. Take note of California and other states. To date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength." Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream. If you care for and love our country as I do, take the time to pass this on just as I did for you. NOTHING is going to happen if you don't!"

[Michael4yah]

Ron,392, Lamm is correct. But I think that we need to point the finger at the individuals that are doing this and not just the faceless corporations supplying the money etc.

It certainly isnt happening by accident is it. We need to keep reminding our people that it isnt 10 million, its 40 million. Playing down the numbers is a favorite tactic that works and is used continously against us. Which brings me to my next point in all this. Its the one factor that would change everything overnight and maybe the only thing that could stop this from becoming a civil war. That is to remove the monopoly over our press. This country was designed as a Republic, with a Constitution designed specifically to insure its rights and laws are protected, FOR THE PEOPLES BENEFIT. "We are the people". Freedom of the Press is absolutely vital for a free peoples ability to protect themselves against tryanny. We depend on a Free and Nonmanipulated source of truth. Without it our people cant get the facts that are so vital for them to guide and preside over this nation. Take the Mayoral race here in Los Angeles recently. It's the proof that Im talking about. Mayor Villaraigosa is a member of La Mecha and La Raza. Both are groups that are determined to hand the southeastern U.S.A. over to Mexico! Their Rhetoric is filled with comments of violence towards the White middle class, not to mention those made against our history and culture . If just one TV station here in LA would have run the video footage of Villaraigosa speaking to these anti american groups he would never have been elected. Period. But none ever did, even though they had all that footage in their archives. So you have to ask yourself what role does the media play in all this. Id say without a doubt, its at the head of the list. What has happened to this country could never have taken place without the combined efforts of all the media outlets. They successfully covered up the assasinations of John F. Kennedy, his brother Robert F. Kennedy and just recently John Jr. Those murders along wth Vince Foster, the Branch Davidians and countless others in history have diverted this country's path from its true and correct destination. Without the media's complicity in these coverups we wouldnt have suffered them in the first place. The entire media is owned and operated by the same people. "Those People" have sworn allegiance against us. Against our nation and our way of life. They must be stopped. If we had a free press our people would have been warned and if need be sufficiently reminded of the border problem long before it ever reached even 1 million. Our troops cannot be rallied because of this conspriacy and this factor alone inhibits us from curing our problems. We have been disconnected from our own reality. Just like any good Con game the perpetrator uses distraction on its victim as its chief ingredient. Why we are not picketing and boycotting every news source in the country for their failure to tell us the truth totally escapes me.
Michael

[Ron61]

Michael,

I no longer consider the American Media as a reliable source of anything. They don't report the news, they make it up and then slant it whichever way they want it. I am all for freedom of the press and speech, but sometimes I think there should be some people and news media called to account for what they say and report. They were probably paid well to not report those remarks.

Ron

[Michael4yah]

Ron, your so right . The media is the key to this conspiracy.

[cobra de capell]

Cloture Vote Fails. Immigration Reform Dead

[Buzz]

The two states that I am most familiar with are California and Florida. I travelled to California on both business and pleasure when I lived and worked in Canada's northern Alberta oilpatch. Now that I am back home in the Caribbean, I travel to Florida occasionally, mainly for business and shopping. I loved the coastal areas of southern California and seriously considered investing in some business and property there in the mid 1980's. I also remember being amazed at how "Spanish" (my thoughts at the time) much of SoCal was and thinking that it would be a good idea to learn that language if I ended up spending a lot of time there. Fast forward to today and Florida and my impressions are very similar, but far more extreme. As a predominantly English speaker (my French sucks) I always felt at ease and easily assimilated in most parts of North America, but in the greater Miami area, because I do not habla espanol, I feel very "foreign" and, ironically, more like a "minority" than I have felt anywhere else, with the exception of French speaking Quebec. On my most recent trip, telephone conversations were often challenging and I really felt like English was the second language. Face to face, maybe people made assumptions because of my appearance, but I was almost always addressed first in Spanish and in English only after indicating that I didn't understand. This is strictly an outsider's observation and not meant in any way to upset or offend anyone.
I do not believe in multiculturalism as a societal policy and bilingualism is even worse. Both of these undermine the very basic principle of a unified nation and lead towards chaos as the special interests of the various factions take precedence over the greater good of the nation itself. I will never understand why people leave their countries only to try to recreate what they supposedly left behind. I will definitely never understand why they are allowed and encouraged to do so. Fight for your society, your country and your way of life - it's not only your right, but your duty as citizens.
One well meaning word of caution to the decent and rightfully indignant people speaking out here - be wary of embracing and identifying with the extremists and neo nazi fanatics among you simply because they agree with you on this particular issue - they are as great a danger, a disgrace and a discredit to your nation as any hostile foreigner or illegal alien and they will use this cause not for the good of America but as the familiar old "convenient scapegoat" tactic to further advance their own twisted, self-serving agendas.

[Michael4yah]

I hope that everyone understands that what you"ve just seen is a masterful job of manipulation."They" (Those People who rule America from behind the scenes) hope that what youve just experienced will disengage this issue from your brains and the hopefully the next election. Thats what this whole thing has been about. I bet the whole crew of them are behind the scenes right now giving eachother hi fives and congratulating themselves on their Academy Award performance. They knew possitively that there was never enough support for ANY immigration reform. The whole enchilada was about getting US off the SUBJECT so that their Puppets can be reelected.
They know that if this issue hung around till election day, America, especially White Middle Class America might just might be ANGRY enough to clean house of everyone in the Congress and the Senate. (the ones up for reelection)

(Announcer)"And now a word from the dark side".
""Thats all, youve been a wonderful audience, now you can go back to sleep. ""( this has been a paid announcement from the" Lets Destroy America Council")

Americans:
Never give up, never give in. Save America Now. Kick every illegal alien out of this country before its too late. The longer they stay the harder it is to weed them out. And the cost doubles about every 6 months.
Instead of Us getting identity cards I say we register every latin in this country. If they are legal they have nothing to worry about. If they dont have that document then put em on that bus or do what I said earlier convict them and sentance them to 10 years picking our fruits and vegetables for free, then we bus em to the border and give em 10 bucks and the warning "If we catch you here again the next time it will be 20 years"
That should satisfy the farmers who are crying that they need mexican labor, now they get it for free. You know that some will not go, so heres the perfect plan. I knew that if we looked long and hard enough we'd come up with the perfect plan!!!
Michael

[stengun]

Howdy,

Originally Posted by Michael4yah

Ron61,Stengun,
Its 40 million. Thats how many are no longer in Mexico, Honduras, Guatamala,El Salvador. OUT OUT OUT!
Michael

WOW 40 million!!!!

We have a 1/2 mill here in Arkansas and we only have a legal population of about 3 million.

Before Jan. '01 teenagers went to McD's for a summer job. Today, they are out of luck because all of these jobs are filled by illegals.

The good news is that Lil' George's "Screw the working middle class" plan just failed. Kinda like his Iraq plan.

Paul

[Michael4yah]

Paul, you hit the nail on the head with those entry level jobs. Same out here in Ca. A week ago I went through a Jack in the Box, a white man in his early 60s had a clip board and was asking questions of those who went through the drive through. When he came up to my car I let him have about 15 minutes of my time explaining to him how this is crippling our nation. You see there are no white people working in that Jack in the Box!!! Not One. After the 1st 5 minutes this guy was trying to end the conversation and I just kept pouring it on to the point where I demanded that he listen to me give my order at the menu sign. He did and within 30 seconds he had this look of suprise on his face and within a minute he was shaking his head. The mexican girl couldnt take the simple order. She ended up calling for help and ended up handing me off to the manager. A Chinaman who couldnt speak anymore english than the mexicans. If I wasnt so hungry and pi$$ed it would have been hilarious. The white man with the clip board was sent out by the head office to get patrons preferences on food but most of the ink he laid down on my paper was about this messed up restraunt with its non english speaking workers
Tyson Chicken is the spearhead for Illegal employment in your state of Arkansas. I Know they have had some "show" raids but they are still a big player in bringing in Illegals. I wouldnt be suprised to see someone burn one of their plants to the ground for what they have done. You see BIll CLinton was a player. He was involved Drug running etc there in ARK. Tyson was a big supporter of Clinton. Your state is small by most standards, which is a good thing. It means that your problem there is manageable if you can swing your people into action. Force Every one running for office to sign a letter of intent that says simply upon election they will do everything they can to arrest detain and deport all Illegals in your state , then hold their feet to the fire once elected. Lets make it the core issue this election. Its important to the survival of our way of life.
Michael

[stengun]

Howdy Michael,

Originally Posted by Michael4yah

Tyson Chicken is the spearhead for Illegal employment in your state of Arkansas. I Know they have had some "show" raids but they are still a big player in bringing in Illegals. I wouldnt be suprised to see someone burn one of their plants to the ground for what they have done. You see BIll CLinton was a player. He was involved Drug running etc there in ARK. Tyson was a big supporter of Clinton. Your state is small by most standards, which is a good thing. It means that your problem there is manageable if you can swing your people into action. Force Every one running for office to sign a letter of intent that says simply upon election they will do everything they can to arrest detain and deport all Illegals in your state , then hold their feet to the fire once elected. Lets make it the core issue this election. Its important to the survival of our way of life.
Michael

Very true. Everybody that works for Tyson in mid-level management upward to the CEO needs to spend the rest for their lives in a gladiator style federal prison.

Instead, Tyson gives millions every year to both parties so they can break the law without worrying about being arrest, etc. Heck, I'll call it like it is, it's a bribe, plain and simple.

Sure, Tyson supported Clinton, but they also supported Mike Huckabee who is running for President as a Republican. Tyson would support bin Laden, Saddam, or Hitler if they were in power and Tyson could use them. Tyson is a typical MEGA-CORP, and they will use and exploit the illegals for a buck. Before Jan. '01, if you lived around a tyson plant, when you got out of high school, you could go down the the plant and get a job the paid deceit, had health insurance and some type of retirement. Not anymore. Today, they hire illegals and pay them less than they paid US citizens 15 years ago. So, what do you do? You can't go to McD's because they don't hire white US citizens.

Clinton had very little to do with drug running. About all Clinton did was look the other way. I guess you are talking about the Reagan-Bush CIA operation at the Mena Airport that was run by Barry Seal. Do a google on Barry Seal and you'll find alot of info.

One of the things that I do not like about Huckabee is his stand on the illegal issue. Since he is in Tyson's pocket, he is against deportation of illegals, and even issued a notice from the gov'r office stating that suspected illegals were not to be detained by LEO usless they had committed a felony. My wife works for DHHShttp://http://www.arkansas.gov/dhhs/homepage.html and they received a notice from Huckabee's office not to investigate any cleints on the grounds that they might be illegal, plus they would be FIRED if they reported a suspected illegal to DHS/immigration http://www.dhs.gov/ximgtn/ because it violated their rights!

Just my $.02.

Paul

[Commander]

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[Jamo]

Closing this one down.

Michael...one comment: You're arguing your view in a proper thread about the pros and cons of immigration reform. I, and others, agree with some of your observations about the law and the lack of enforcement.

However...you've gone over the line with racist comments.

Clean it up. There will be no discussion about this. Argue with me even a little and you will become an illegal on these pages immediately.