The Fence

[VRM]

Jamo,
It really does not matter what the policies are if we have people who throw monkey wrenches into the efforts to enforce those policies. There was an ICE raid in my state and the governor here (despite his office having advance notification) attempted to negate the raid on humanitarian grounds.

Steve

[Jamo]

And BTW...anybody here really know what the current enforcement policies of ICE are concerning the employment of illegal aliens? Are you folks aware of the new no-match regulations which are being tested in court? Anybody read IRCA? (and no...it's not a type of whale) Anyone know what the concept of federal preemption is and what it has to do with state laws in such areas as immigration?

Please feel free to Google your asses off.

I deal with this stuff every day...doing a seminar in Napa for the wine industry tomorrow on this exact subject as a matter of fact...and I remain quiet while you assperts throw darts at the side of a barn hoping to hit something.

But it does keep me laughing, and that's a good thing.

[Ron61]

Under IRCA, employers may hire only persons who may legally work in the U.S., i.e., citizens and nationals of the U.S. and aliens authorized to work in the U.S. The employer must verify the identity and employment eligibility of anyone to be hired, which includes completing the Employment Eligibility Verification Form (I-9). Employers must keep each I-9 on file for at least three years, or one year after employment ends, whichever is longer.

That is from the 1990 version I believe and no, I don't pretend to know much about all the ins and outs of the immigration and Customs acts and laws. Wish I did understand these issues better but I am to dumb to sort through all the crap they write and decipher just what they are trying to say. So I post what I feel, not claiming that it is right.

By the way, NAPA is a great place to lecture about this as there is plenty of wine to keep you laughing.

Ron

[Jamo]

Don't take it personally, Ron...you are one of millions who know only the very basic facts about immigration and enforcement against employers. Because the media and politicians have made immigration a hotbed issue (like abortion and gun control), folks simply rely on what is fed to them.

Read the discrimination portions, and it might help you understand the catch-22 employers are faced with...or don't. Nobody else does.

[Ron61]

I wasn't taking it personally Jamo. And I have read a lot of the stuff on the immigration, but would be a liar if I said I understand much of it. It just seems to me they use pages to say what could be condensed down to shorter versions. I will read more of the discrimination portions, but probably still won't understand nearly all of it. The gun control issue, I do try to keep up with as I am involved with it in a minor sense here, but like all things it is twisted so much that I am not sure even the politicians understand all they have written.

Ron

[jdog]

This border thing reminds me of Corrections (something I know a little bit about, Jamo)

They vote in laws, like "3 strikes", and then b*tch about the cost of building the new prison cells to lock them up in!

*HIT OR GET OFF THE POT! You've got those of us actually trying to do this stuff, chasing our tails!

Build the fence, or hire the motherphucker's!

and

Build the prisons, or quit locking them up!

jdog
P.S. NAFTA & the North American Union, are both jokes. If you really want to change things offer them 'statehood' or build the fence (on both sides). Take a look at Hawaii & Alaska to see what happens when you become a state!

[Ron61]

I saw an article in the local paper today about the fence and some small town that it will cut into two parts. According to the Wretched Flashlight, the fence will be built about 100' this side of the river and go through the town, which will leave part of it in a sort of no mans land. I don't know how true this is as this local paper has a habit of printing things that aren't quite what they say at times.

Ron

[Joe Wicked]

There are several towns right on the border all along the border. Most of these cross the border into Mexico and are a Mexican town on the other side. 100' is only ~33yards. By the time you take into count the existing measures in place at these locations, you are not displacing a large amount of the land/population. Anybody that it directly affects can easily be moved. The number should be small enough that the budget for building the fence can absorb the cost.

[Jamo]

jdog

I know Mike Reynolds pretty well, and he would agree with you.

[Jamo]

You ever been around an ICE raid?

[Venamm]

Just wondering, is it a problem based on a person coming over and working illegally only? Or do these fence jumpers also carry stuff over, like drugs, guns, booze?.....Are they carrier pigeons? Because if that's the case, you might have a larger internal "organized" problem then you think.

[Jamo]

As jdog said, sorry: Mike Reynolds authored the Three Strikes; You're Out law after his kid was brutalized and killed.

Napa? Nope...just assplaining to a multitutde of HR folks and owners about how to comply with the DHS's Social Security No-Match regulations in case the ACLU's injunction is lifted. A legal minefield with folks (unions, plaintiffs attorneys, civil rights groups) ready to sue employers who try to comply or face fines and imprisonment if they don't.

Media never tells you that sh!t...they just take videos of a few raids and some protestors.

It's a living...

[Scott S]

fixed the link...

Scott S

[Venamm]

Thought this was funny. Sort of related. PARDON ALL THE "F" BOMBS DROPPED

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yPEr3LSr4pA