global warming

[bomelia]

Is it just not amazing how Algore and the liberals have come along JUST in the nic of time (time scale reference: 100 million years vs, Algore is, what, 65?) to save the planet?

I for one am gushing with thankfulness. And so should ya'll (as we say here in the south and in Boston too).

Mike

[Wes Tausend]

Originally Posted by Roscoe

Christopher Booker's Notebook

By Christopher Booker
Last Updated: 1:48am GMT 25/11/2007

We are set on a course of 'planet saving' madness

The scare over global warming... ... the hottest year of all being not 1998, as was previously claimed, but 1934.

Finish your assignment http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...5/nbook125.xml

One might think Christopher Booker just a kook ...but he is probably being well paid for his smear, perhaps by British Petroleum.

Wikipedia: "telegraph.co.uk is the online version of British broadsheet newspaper The Daily Telegraph. The Daily Telegraph has been politically conservative in modern times. The personal links between the paper's editors and the leadership of the Conservative Party, also known as Tories, along with the paper's influence over Conservative activists, results in the paper commonly, but, jokingly referred to, especially in Private Eye, as the Torygraph. However, in its early years it was associated with Gladstone and the Liberal party, coining the nickname "the people's William". (However, just as The Guardian is often referred to as The Grauniad, the Telegraph too is often jocularly referred to by the anagram Gleephart.)

Torygraph?
Tories: The guys whose butt we had to kick to form this great free country in the 1700's.

Here's some more normal news from mainstream media:

Bush Meets Al Gore: Effect On Permafrost Unknown

...The official purpose of the historic summit was not the Middle East peace conference Bush is also hosting this week but the normally more prosaic photo op the White House typically schedules each year with the latest American winners of the Nobel Prize. As it happened, this year's laureates included none other than the guy Bush's father once called "Ozone Man."

The president decided to go a step beyond duty by meeting with Gore in the Oval Office for 40 minutes before the formal picture-taking. With just two aides on hand, the two reportedly talked about global warming, an issue that has divided them almost as much as the contested recount in Florida. Gore did not bring the famous slideshow that formed the basis for his Oscar-winning movie, "An Inconvenient Truth," but he probably doesn't need his PowerBook anymore...

...Their meeting in the Oval Office yesterday, also attended by White House Chief of Staff Joshua B. Bolten and Council on Environmental Quality Director James Connaughton, afforded the president a chance to hear more about climate change as he tries to forge an international accord for what to do once Kyoto expires. Bush has decided in recent months to try to play a greater leadership role on climate change, but still opposes the sort of regulatory solutions favored by Gore. No one was laying odds that Gore changed Bush's mind...

Ozone Man...

Rest of the story:
( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...601525_pf.html )

A little administration bet hedging, perhaps?


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[cobra de capell]

Here's something to ponder:

UN: Poor Need $86 Billion in Climate Aid
Tuesday, November 27, 2007

By JOHN HEILPRIN, Associated Press Writer

UNITED NATIONS — Helping the world's poor adapt to more floods, droughts and other changes from a warming planet will cost the richest nations at least $86 billion a year by 2015, an expert panel warned Tuesday.

"They must have help from the rich world," said Claes Johnasson, a co-author of the report commissioned by the U.N. Development Program. "Climate is forcing people into human development traps."

Half the cost, $44 billion, would go for "climate-proofing" developing nations' infrastructure while $40 billion would help the poor adapt how the live to cope with climate-related risks, says the panel's report. The other $2 billion would go to strengthening responses to natural disasters.

The report recommends the biggest share be paid by the United States and other rich nations, based on aid targets and financing calculations by the World Bank and Group of Eight major industrialized nations.

The Bush administration said in a statement that one of its top priorities is "to alleviate poverty and spur economic growth in the developing world by modernizing energy services."

The Human Development Report each year compares nations by life expectancy, literacy and other data. This year, it focuses on climate change, coming just a week before the world's nations convene in Indonesia to negotiate a new climate treaty.

Snip....... http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Nov...Change,00.html
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Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha . . . . . . . !!!

Oh, wait! They’re serious!

So, if you are sitting there thinking that all of Al Gore's ranting is not going to cost you money! WAKE UP!

Also - climate-proofing? If that's not a huge scam.......

[Wes Tausend]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

Here's something to ponder:

UN: Poor Need $86 Billion in Climate Aid
Tuesday, November 27, 2007

By JOHN HEILPRIN, Associated Press Writer

UNITED NATIONS — Helping the world's poor adapt to more floods, droughts and other changes from a warming planet will cost the richest nations... ....just a week before the world's nations convene in Indonesia to negotiate a new climate treaty.

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Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha . . . . . . . !!!

Oh, wait! They’re serious!

So, if you are sitting there thinking that all of Al Gore's ranting is not going to cost you money! WAKE UP!

Also - climate-proofing? If that's not a huge scam.......

Heck, thats what they (Bush-Gore) were talking about ...all the money they will make.

Really, it seems like it's going to cost fossil fuel investors big time. Just when the carbon stuff is ready to get in short supply, and the price ready to skyrocket, some SOB changes the rules and tries to talk everyone out of buying it.

Actually, a lot of energy companies are investing in green technologies to keep the profit line up ...just like Phillip-Morris did in moving from "bad" tobacco into standard "good" food products.

In regard to helping the worlds poor, I suppose they figure it's all our fault for fouling earths atmosphere because ...well ...we did most of it. Well fine, lets send them all lifejackets. Or better yet, instructions on how to make something that floats. Like a board. How to build a Board by *Dave Barry.

*( http://teachers.net/mentors/humor/to....15.06.04.html )


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[hey,littlecobra]

In regard to helping the worlds poor, I suppose they figure it's all our fault for fouling earths atmosphere because ...well ...we did most of it.

i jumped out of here a while ago, but in all seriousness....
should we not be afraid, terribly afraid of what India and China are putting into the air?? There seem to be no environmental controls in their countries, and we are just NOW seeing the repercussions of their horrible pollution. Way way after the fact, and probably impossible to clean up, control or regulate. 'They' are out of control!! The Chinese have gone decades without any real use of vehicles; but tons of industrial pollution. But now.... they have unlimited vehicles that are belching huge amounts of pollution. India is experiencing the same 'boom' of sorts, economically, and the automotive revolution is in full force. The population explosion in both countries just compounds the problem. More people; more cars; more industry; more pollution.
I am way more concerned about those two countries' impact on the worldly environmental concerns than anything north america or western europe puts out.
ok..... checking back out!!!

[Wes Tausend]

Kristen,

You are right. If there is indeed a human caused climate problem, there is not much we alone, in the good old USA, can do about it ourselves.
As an example:
...Major emitters like the United States, China, and India aren't part of the agreement (Kyoto)-- and many signers won't meet their targets.
( http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5024016)

We've all heard of the Stone Age, the Bronze Age etc. We live in the Petroleum Age and it will end sooner or later. America helped pioneer this Age and it has made our lives much better. Many countries understandably want to emulate our standard of living; and they could if it doesn't crash our climate. It's going to get interesting.

I don't support the Kyoto Treaty the way it was written either. Bush was right in not signing it. It wouldn't even do any good if we were the only nation to abide by it, not anymore.

Of note: Many or most of the polluting interests in China, India etc are not owned by people that live in the country. The populace is already reacting to bad air. But look how hard it has been for us, in a freer society of people, to enforce any standards and fight corporate propoganda. Sometimes the people are their own worst enemy, "when good men do nothing".


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[Ron61]

Wes,

We are not only fighting big money on this, but if we took every gas burning vehicle in the United States off the roads, it will not clean the atmosphere. I know that I keep reading reports that our air monitors are starting to pick up more polution that comes from China. And they are just doing more all the time as is some other couintries. We need to do our part, but no one country can clean the atmosphere of a whole planet. And now that it seems almost every Chinese in the cities drives cars, just look at a picture of the smoke coming out of those cars. Sometimes I wonder if they are burning coal in them instead of gas. And as you said, all the other countries want to imitate us, but now that we are starting to go the other way they seem to have very little interest in doing so. I think Japan is strating to try to do something as they are getting a lot from China. And if there is any way to get every country to work together on anything, that would be a first.

Ron