Update on Canadian & Kalifornian goose-steppers

[Ron61]

Ernie,

You had better find out if they have the speed surveys there before you try to use that as an excuse. They don't seem to have them here, but as bad as I-5 and the rest of the highways are getting to be, I think they need some.

Ron

[Buzz]

(Hypothetically, of course and without animosity) If my dog harmed your livestock on your property, you would have no difficulty persuading me to justly compensate you and follow the letter of the law. The info you posted makes no mention of entering my premises and shooting the dog in my house. I confidently maintain that if you came running into my home for any reason with a gun in your hand you would not make it out alive. Stop at my border, buddy and notify me of the circumstances before proceeding any further and we'll work from there. It is the most assinine thing I have ever heard that any law would encourage any man to rush into another man's house with a gun in his hand for any reason whatsoever.

[Ron61]

Guys, how did we get from a speed law bill and enforcement to guns and shooting dogs? I know I contributed to it and I had to go look at the first post to see what the thread was about. I am old and senile. What is your excuse?

Ron

[Buzz]

Young and foolish?

[imagine2frolic]

Hey you guys, Buzz & Ron you just can't be throwing all of this honesty around

[Ron61]

Well Buzz is just a kid and still learning so he is young and foolish.

I am so old that I no longer have birthdays so can use that an excuse for my wandering off topic.

Ron

[Wayne Maybury]

You wanna hear about stupid traffic laws, how about this? The posted speed limit on just about 100% of the local municipal roads here is 30 km per hour. That is 18 mph. No one, and I mean no one goes 18 mph. In addition to that, the town has installed 4 way stop signs at just about every intersection. I find myself slowing down to the speed limit going through the stop signs.

Virtually no one obeys the speed limit and very few people now stop at the stop signs. I have watched school buses, police cars, most cars & trucks, as well as city workers (who don't do anything anyway) run the stop signs. The next town over even has begun to put up stop signs where there is no intersection in a few places. I have seen school buses full of kids pass my house at 60 or 70 kph in the 30 kph zone.

I believe that several years ago some genius had the idea to post 30kph hoping that people would not exceed 50 kph (30mph) and the same idiot decided to put stop signs everywhere to further slow down the traffic. Drivers have not really slowed down nor are they stopping more. Everyone is driving the same as before but just breaking the law more now.

Wayne

Edited for grammar

[HI Cobra]

Your traffic control situation seems to occur almost everywhere now - at least
where I have been. I think the biggest cause of these idiotic speed limits, signs, you name it - is that "traffic engineers" who obviously don't drive, try
to set limits for the worst possible driver and everyone else is supposed to
heed them. I have heard of some of their justifications for a 45 mph on a
freeway here (H-3, the newest) that the line of sight is too tight. BS - you could be doing 100 and talking on a cel phone and have plenty of time.
I am sure a lot of these limits, etc cause more accidents than they prevent.
OK, I'm done for now on this rant!

[Ron61]

Wayne,

Our speed limits aren't quite as bad as yours, but the running of stop signs is. I have followed the police cars and they go right through them and you don't even see a brake light come on. I had some woman flip me the bird and start yelling at me one day because I stopped at a stop sign and that made her have to slow down. I always stop at them here because you never know what is coming and how fast, and you do know they won't stop. They do have a nasty habit of changing the speed from 70 to 65 and putting the signs off where they are hard to see. Then 5 miles later it is back to 70 on the freeway. In the towns they are all over the place. anywhere from 15MPH to 45MPH and seemingly with no reason for a lot of them. Of course our roads are so bad that if you go over 30MPH you will knock the front end out of alignment.

Ron

[Joe Wicked]

We have a spot here that the speed limit drops from 45 to 35 for just 1 intersection. The cross street does not slow. There is no notice that the speed is dropping and the sign is off to the side more than the other signs so it is easy to miss. The cops will sit right there in the parking lots lined up while another runs radar. It is common to see 5-10 cars pulled over on the other side of the intersection. It is such an obvious speed trap that they continuously refute. They claim that it is a dangerous corner, but have no answer as to why the cross street is not dangerous. Both streets are 3 lanes each direction. The cross street drops to 1 lane each direction after it leaves town (1 mile 1 way and 1 1/2 miles the other, while the street with the speed trap stays 3 lanes each direction as it goes into other towns each way with no real seperation any more.

[Ron61]

Well I guess they have to get their donut money some way.

Ron

[Joe Wicked]

Yea. I love that picture. My uncle is a cop in Georgia, and I had to forward that picture to him. He said he printed it out and hung it in the station. I also got him a sticker that said Bad Cop, No Donut. He put that one on his car. It is a good thing he has a sense of humor.

[Ron61]

I don't know what happened a year or so ago, but the CHP used to hang out at a small gas station and market about a mile from my house and you would see at least 4 patrol cars there all day. Then all of a sudden they all quit going there. I wonder if someone complained or something. The one that I used to know well has retired so I don't know any of them to ask. When he was working he would tell us which highway to go on to try out our cars as he knew where the others were patrolling at the time and they don't have enough up here to cover nearly all of the highways all the time. And that plain white Camero and the Mustang sure does stop a lot of cars and trucks on the freeway.

Ron

[Joe Wicked]

They set up on that spot at various times here because people get used to seeing them so they slow down. After not seeing them, and seeing a few people not slow, more people start to speed up and then after it becomes normal to not slow, then bam the cops are back and writing the months worth of tickets on the morning commute.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Buzz

(Hypothetically, of course and without animosity) If my dog harmed your livestock on your property, you would have no difficulty persuading me to justly compensate you and follow the letter of the law. The info you posted makes no mention of entering my premises and shooting the dog in my house. .

Buzz,agree with the "spirit" of your post.However,if there was a limit to my hypothetical pursuit(property line,structure e.t.c)it would HAVE to be written into the above code.If something is NOT in the Criminal Code,then that action/activity IS legal.But i get where yer comin' from.

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Wayne,
I had some woman flip me the bird and start yelling at me one day because I stopped at a stop sign and that made her have to slow down. Ron

LMAO! Ron, some days you feel like you just can't win, ol' buddy! Maybe you should have pulled alongside her at the next light and treated her to a full moon - that just might have made her day.

Cobrabill; all hypothetical bantering aside, I am sure if we were actually neighbours, we would get along just fine.

[Ron61]

Buzz,

That woman now goes around the block to another street where she can run the stop signs if she sees me ahead of her. She finally ran the one that enters the Boulevard and some guy in a pick up slid to a stop and I guess he yanked her out of the SUV and they really had a scene and she got a ticket which she most likely threw away. But I haven't seen her for several weeks now and I used to see her every day. Good riddance if she got hit and removed from the highway.

Bill,

Hypothetically speaking, it is a good thing you don't live in this state. Your right to pursue ends at another persons property line and then you call the police and they handle it. If you go ahead and barge in, and especially into a home then you are going to go away in a body bag and no charges will be filed against the home owner. Has happened before and the court ruled the person chasing the other one had no right to enter his property no matter what his grievance was, he should have stopped at the property line and called the police. If the property is posted it is even more strict. And I have mine posted and barb wire along the top of the fence that I can turn the charger on and electrify, all at the suggestion of our police Captain. It was immediately challenged by a group of dopers who used to jump my fence to avoid the police and they didn't even call me about it, just told their lawyer that as long as the juice was not fatal, it was not only legal but if they did jump then fence I have the right tom protect myself using whatever means of force necessary. Since I am old and my health is bad, that leaves only a gun. It has now been three years since I have even seen a doper around here. And one of them was shot and dumped into the river a few years ago. And like Buzz, if we were neighbors I am sure we would gt along fine as if I had any thing that was coming onto your property and causing problems I wold take care of it myself when you told me about it.

Edit: Bill don't take this as an argument from me. I am sure that your state interpets their laws different from this one. Every state is different from California. I made none of my statements with any intention of malice or arguing, just to point out that as you earlier stated, we are in different positions. Hope that I haven't offended you as that was not the intent.

Ron

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Cobrabill; all hypothetical bantering aside, I am sure if we were actually neighbours, we would get along just fine.

Agreed.


Ron,no worries,If i thought you were arguing with me,i'd come throw you off the moutain(Shasta)