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Old 02-29-2008, 08:05 PM
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OK, that urge to use the "fool" word is rising up... but... I... will... resist...

Must... go find something... else to ....uhhhhdo.

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GW has all but bankrupted the US. Thats bull he 'inherited' the problem, he!! he IS the problem! The man is SO far out of touch with the American people it's downright scary. McCain? More of the same...
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How about this new guilty by association going on now? If that is the case then every politician that had lunch with Mark Foley (R), is a pedophile too. I'd like to hear how they will fix America instead of how bad their opponent is.
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What we really need in this country is term limits to get the career crook's, opps i meant politicians out. No lawyers in office ever!!
Time for the poor slobs to run things.
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Old 03-01-2008, 10:41 AM
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I would like to see term limits for Congress just as they have for President but it just won't happen. Don't think for a second those crooks are going to allow anyone to set a limit on anything they do. And as for cleaning up the mess we are in, I don't see how any one person can possibly do that. It would take all of Washington, President and Congress working together logically and putting the needs of the country and people ahead of their own, and that is not going to happen.

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Old 03-01-2008, 03:37 PM
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Foreign Aid is a taboo subject. Ron
Ron, Help me out here...why is it a taboo item?

Is it because there is so much smoke and mirrors covering what we spend? Or is foreign aid (Ha! What a misnomer) just a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the mismanaged funds in our government?

I hate to ask these questions but I'm not sharp enough to find the answers.
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Never mind Ron, he was prolly in the middle of pulling another tooth. Made no sense to me either.

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If your interested in who bankrupt the US, well tally up how much chinese made stuff you have in your house and you'll find your answer.

You, Me, and Wal-mart. (we all helped Home Depot run every mom&pop hardware store out of business)

A big chunk of the debt is trade deficit, the remainder is Iraq and rebuilding New Orleans. (I'm sorry which other president faced this?) As much as people don't like war it's where most new technologies get developed. It's better to blow stuff up there than the middle of some desert in Arizona.

Mind you I'm not saying GW is a good president, he isn't. However he's been blamed for people paying too much for houses, banking scams and a lot of other factors that have led to our current money crunch.

Iraq, insisting on tax cuts, $15billion in AIDS help for Africa. Yep, He's resposible for these. Not forcing you into a more fuel efficent vehicle than that gas pig SUV your driving, well that's been going on for some time and $5/gal gas will fix that.

It's always easy to blame some CEO or politician and turn a blind eye to the illegals trimming your bushes and rebuilding your bathroom. Our biggest problem has always been lack of accountability and it doesn't stop with the guy at the top.

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Not forcing you into a more fuel efficient vehicle than that gas pig SUV your driving, well that's been going on for some time and $5/gal gas will fix that.
Yep, that is called supply and demand. Free economy. The USA is the worst country in the world ...

except when compared to every other country.

If the US is so bad, why are people dying to get into this country?
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Never mind Ron, he was prolly in the middle of pulling another tooth. Made no sense to me either.

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Hi Mike,
If you referring to my post perhaps I can clarify...If not, perhaps you'd like to add your thoughts to the foreign aid "Thing."

Ronbo,
I think I understand that the Chinese trade imbalance (Plus the money we are supposed to be borrowing from China) is significant but how significant is foreign aid to our national debt structure?

If it is not a big percentage, then I guess it isn't a big deal.
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Well technically the whole Iraq mess is forign aid... A lot of people feel that George Bush Sr. "didn't finish the job". but going in and wiping out the military left us with the delemma of leaving a country surrounded with many enemies and you end up with Iran rolling in there. So you knock their military down to size and kill the SOB in charge. The land invasion was unneeded. By comparison the first thing Reagan did was kill most of old Momar's family.

There will always be opression and not just outside our borders. We can cerainly be a helpfull neighbor to the world but we don't need to police it. (unless of course it really, really is a threat)

Ultimately I see a global confilict developing between Christians and Musliums mainly based on our lifestyle and how intolerable it is to Musliums especially. Christians don't usually call for executions for violating God's laws and our govenment in perticular protects non-religious beliefs. This is not the case in Muslium countries.

Just like the flack about the prison, Iraq was not shocked by prisoners getting abused, they were apalled that we had Women doing it. Letting that out only endangered our people over there. Sheer genius on behalf of the press.

I'd be curious how many idiot politicians actually understand how futile it is to try to set up a republic in a Muslium culture. None of them seem to have a clue why it's failing...

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Well, I think GWB is a good President. I did not say great, I said good. Its history in retrospect that will determine if he was great. Lets take Bill Clinton. Bad president. Now, he was a horrible president.

Reagan was reviled. But look at his funeral. Libs hated it.

Jimy Carter? OMG! Horrific.

Reagan? He is a legend now.

It has always seemed interesting to me that the bees nest that we stirred up in Iraq must have existed all along. The fact that these "bees" exist means they posed a threat at some time in the future. Everybody knows that the ME is one phuked up place. And its not because of the US. Its because of their own greedy rulers and backwards religious beliefs. Without the US, the ME dies.

GWB? We will see.

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If we did not invade irag when we did, we would be doing sooner or later. Liberals think you can talk your way out of trouble. Look how well talking worked on North Korea and Iran. Talking is fine to a point, then you act.
As for foriegn aid, we have sent over 44 BILLION to African nations in the past 40 years and where has it gone? To the dictators. They are still no better off and still l ive in mud huts. Again liberal feel good actions, instead of progress.
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As for foreign aid, we have sent over 44 BILLION to African nations in the past 40 years and where has it gone? joeg
That was what I was getting at...Almost a billion a year just to one country. How much to others?

Who controls all this largess? Our representatives (Allegedly), the State Department or ???

Other than hollering here, I would feel better if I hollered at the controlling source. Whether I'm p*****g into a tornado or not...I really want to take a swing at some responsible party.

It would be good for my innards.
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Hildebeast let something slip last night on 60 minutes.During an interview,she was asked if she would at some point"stand down" if it was for the good of the party.She said NO.

What does that tell you?H-O-L-Y $-H-I-T.
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O.K.-here we go.Prediction time:Hildebeast can not win against Obama.So that means Obama against McCain in the general election.And below is why Obama WILL NOT be elected.He is more wacked than i thought.

YouTube - IN 52 SECS WHY BARACK OBAMA CANNOT WIN A GENERAL ELECTION
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America's Sweetheart

Hillary Clinton has been telling America that she is the most qualified candidate for president based on her "record," which she says includes her eight years in the White House as First Lady - or "co-president" - and her seven years in the Senate. Here is a reminder of what that record includes:


- As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Pat Moynahan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would "demonize "anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn't even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.)


- Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations (Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood) were forced to withdraw their names from consideration, and then she chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as "my worst mistake."


- Hillary recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier's radical views became known, her name had to be withdrawn.


- Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.


- Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. (FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene Confirmed in a Senate Judiciary Committee in 1996 both the drug use and Hillary's involvement in hiring Livingstone. After that, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, after serving seven presidents for over thirty years.)


- In order to open "slots" in the White House for her friends the Harry Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for "gross mismanagement" and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours.


- Another of Hillary's assumed duties was directing the "bimbo eruption squad" and scandal defense:

--- She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit.

--- She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

---- Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all.

---- And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury.

---- And Bill was impeached by the House.

---- And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, "I do not recall," "I have no recollection," and "I don't know" 56 times under oath).


- Hillary wrote "It Takes a Village," demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint.


- Hillary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state she had never lived in. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother's clients, for a small fee, to get financial support.


- Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen.


- In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the "woman card" by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on her.


- Hillary's husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary's correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.)


- As the junior Senator from New York, Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11.


- Hillary's one notable vote, supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed.


Quite a resume, isn't it? Sounds more like an organized crime family..


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Most politics does sound like organized crime, but it is legalized organized crime for the most part.
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One thing I'd like to address was a previous comment about term limits as this a double edged sword:

Without them you end up with Ted Kennedys and the like who are amazingly re-elected year after year. (mind you they are re-elected) Big problem is stupid voters who have not researched each vote. Ted is the only name they know and they pull the lever, then ***** about everything he helped pass (especially taxes) for the next four years.

With them you end up with a person who gets next to nothing accomplished in their last term cause their counterparts know they've got one foot out the door. Not to mention the rarity of actually getting someone decent that you can't keep in there.

Personally I would have loved another eight years of Reagan...
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Ronbo,

Since you want to address term limits, obviously you don't like them, we have them here for our state Senators and Representatives and have had for years. True, we have lost a few good ones but we have gotten rid of many more worthless crooks with them.

"With them you end up with a person who gets next to nothing accomplished in their last term cause their counterparts know they've got one foot out the door. Not to mention the rarity of actually getting someone decent that you can't keep in there."

I have lived with them for years and probably am as familiar with them as you are and I support them for all of our crooked Congress. Franklin Roosevelt set the term limits for presidents to make sure no one ever beat his record for terms served. And when was the last time our lifetime Congress actually did something for this country and it's citizens instead of the illegals and Muslims?

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