GW Bush

[imagine2frolic]

George is taking credit for the slow down of violence in Iraq. He is not giving any credit to Sadir for slowing the sectarian violence.....................

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED AGAIN?

What's going to happen when Sadir decides to go on a rampage again????

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080319/...88nTgbJ3Ks0NUE

[427sharpe]

You might give a majority of credit to the ground battlefield commanders who changed tactics to reach out to tribal chiefs as well...this is what worked very well in areas where Sadir's influence was remote. Where tribal chiefs were involved there were repeatable and sustainable major drops in violence. If the violence were up (or goes up again) I suppose you'd give GW a pass and blame Sadir?

[imagine2frolic]

Absolutely...if the violence escalates, and Sadir is once again the instigator. When something goes right, and you have caused it then by all means take a bow. If you share what has gone right then you can only accept partial credit.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-onlin...59241059.shtml

This is an example that the President, and past Presidents too don't really live in a real world. Most come from a silverspoon in the mouth. You can read all you want about sailing a stormy sea alone, but until you have been there it is not the same. You gain a whole new understanding of things when you have lived it.

As far as credit to the commanders. I do give them credit, and the people doing the hardwork out in the field. I believe the push should have been from the beginning. I also believe Bush tried to go in, and win a war on the cheap, and now he is paying for it. His father didn't go in, because they knew they couldn't control the Sectarian violence. Right out of the mouths of babes, or should I say Haliburton?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I

[Jamo]

Rather annoying in a CNNish way to blame the CinC for everything bad, and then not give him credit when it goes well.

The basturd backed off due to the carrot/stick of the surge and invitation to be a part of the solution...all at the initiation of the administration.

[imagine2frolic]

THE BUCK STOPS HERE should be the motto for every CinC. I was skeptical when we first went, but when the President says there are WMD. Who am I to doubt him. He has the Cia, and every other team to diagnose the problems. I can only take his word he is not lying to me.

You have to overwhelm the enemy, and step on their throat not afraid to crush it if you are going to war. He didn't do that. He went in with the minimum, and we have what we have. He is not willing to admit it was a mistake, and he is not willing to dominate with numbers of troops. It is another stalemate like V.N.

I don't have the answer, and if I did I would share it with GW. What really gripes me is that while our people are dying there are many making millions, and their companies are flourishing while the country goes down the tubes. Between Iraq, illegals, and the housing mess this country is being sucked dry of every resource we have from fuels, to water, to money in the county coffers.

G.W. won't even admit there is a recession. Oh there's a little problem here, and there, but the country is fine. Can someone explain to me how the country is fine when the dollar is in the toilet? He is making loans from to China to put money in the economy. Can someone explain to me how another debt is going to help in the long run?

There's a lot of fear & frustration going on, and the man at the top has to accept that he is the one in charge. Where's Harry when we need him?

[427sharpe]

Originally Posted by imagine2frolic

You have to overwhelm the enemy, and step on their throat not afraid to crush it if you are going to war. He didn't do that. He went in with the minimum, and we have what we have. He is not willing to admit it was a mistake, and he is not willing to dominate with numbers of troops. It is another stalemate like V.N.
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But would America's left allow the military machine to fight a WAR? It seems all we are 'allowed' is to wage a 'peace action'. Do you remember the hand wringing and grinding of teeth that followed publication of pics from the 'highway of death'? the NYT and Time were in a feeding frenzy about how we 'slaughtered soldiers trying to escape'. Have you read the 'reinterpretation' of WWII in textbooks today? How imperialist America waged war against the defenseless Japanese?????????? It is part and parcel of the liberal dogma that blames America for everything and tries to teach our kids that our America business is the root of all evil! I think this foolishness has got to stop, but I am afarid it will take war--real war--at home to wake the masses up.

[cobra de capell]

imagine2frolic - you sound very liberal to me.

So, perhaps your buds Hillary and BO will take over and you will be happy? W isn't directly responsible for what's happening in the economy, the best he can do is stop those that want to bail out homeowners - they need to take a hit, housing prices need to take a hit, you need to go back into your cave and relax, watch a little TV, we will fight for you as well.

[Jamo]

Imagine...you likely lost track of the point: No problemo with the buck stopping at his desk. What was annoying was your refusal to tip your hat to giving him credit for the surge that so many democrats argued against.

[427 S/O]

This ongoing and never ending WMD argument never includes the whole truth, most conveniently forget Saddam poisoned, let me repeat that, 'poisoned' thousands of kurds. As I understand, that is mass destruction, is it not?. He had them and used them!. The ongoing UN debate gave him plenty of time to move WMD out of the country or, he may have used them up?. That and the 30 or so years he killed and terrorized his countrymen is reason enough to oust him and his siblings. I know we supported him years earlier for what we thought, and may have been, a good reason?.

I don't like being over there, but what alternative do we have when it comes to protecting our shores?.

[Art Burtt]

Here's a thought: Has anyone noticed that the the Dumocrats are controlling Congress?
What happened to the "100 day solution",that Pelosi promised?? Get a life GW haters!

[imagine2frolic]

I understand Saddam gassing his own people. I never said Saddam should stay, and I am very far from being a liberal. As far as tipping my hat I can give G.W, partial credit there is no doubt to the effectiveness of the surge. It should have happened a long time ago. It should have happened from day one.

My complaint is he wants to act like it is all his doing. I am saying that Sadir has called back his dogs for now. That is also partially why the surge is working. Another thing, what about the oil paying for the war? It is us who is paying, and all we get in return is hate from the M.E. Yet the friends of the White House are making millions, and I do know that is a long tradition.

CDC,
first thing you do is call someone a liberal. Hell I would think a grown man like yourself should stop wearing those little white panties, and especially get that bunched up part out of your crack. Liberal, I think not, if it was me there would be death & destruction all over Iraq.They would know they were beaten, and as far as waging a peace action. There would be no such hand holding. We would fight like we did in WWI &II.

The great thing about this country is we have a right to disagree. I would have continued the shock & awe until they were in the stone age, and those that didn't join would be considered the enemy, and dealt with as such. Just because G.W. is the President does not mean I have to follow him blindly. If that was the case we would still belong to England. Rabble rousers, and trouble makers set us free. I hold them all dear in my heart for having the courage to speak up, and back it up with their fortunes, and lives.

If my speaking of my concern over policy bothers you then maybe I am the true American, and you who refuse my concerns & only want to see it your way. Then I have my doubts about you. That is the way Putin thinks. One country one mind, and everybody needs tape over their mouth. As far as policy? How is our policy working? Can any of you really say it is? This policy has us in over our heads. If you can't see that then you have your head in the sand like an ostrich.

I am only using the privilege of the first amendment.... FREEDOM OF SPEECH, and you would take that away? You would hold me as less an American? I am sometimes left, sometimes right, and sometimes moderate in my thinking. I am not be stuffed into one peghole, and my mind closed to all other ideas. It was open minds that set this country free.

When I sail into a foreign country. I fly the courtesy flag of the host country above the Stars & Stripes, because that is etiquette. On my backstay proudly displayed is a flag 5 times larger than my courtesy flag. 50 stars, and the accompaning stripes, RED, WHITE & BLUE for all to see.

As far as Hilary, and B.O. I wouldn't give them the time of day. They do absolutely nothing to stimulate my blood flow. They outright worry me. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

[meat]

Originally Posted by imagine2frolic

I understand Saddam gassing his own people.

Wow. That's a hell of thing to say. I can't 'understand' that at all. Mass murder is neither defensible nor understandable in my book.

Your pal,
Meat.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by meat

Wow. That's a hell of thing to say. I can't 'understand' that at all. Mass murder is neither defensible nor understandable in my book.

Your pal,
Meat.

Then perhaps that is the reason we should have used to invade. There would be very little argument from anybody about the reason.

Though I suppose we would have still ended up looking stupid for torturing people to find out who was commiting crimes against humanity.

Steve

[imagine2frolic]

I really think it is time to place a boot on the throats of the enemy.........., or go home....WHAT SAY YOU?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/thethre...kEjdQUTWSs0NUE

[427 S/O]

Reminder!!!.We haven't had a terrorist attack on our soil since 9/11, how much credit are you willing to give GW for that????. Personally, he has all my respect and support.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by 427 S/O

Reminder!!!.We haven't had a terrorist attack on our soil since 9/11, how much credit are you willing to give GW for that????. Personally, he has all my respect and support.

We were attacked because our policies ran contrary to others. There was a small group of people who hated us enough to do something about it. Now, our policies have changed because of GW, and more of the world hates us than ever before.
We have not been attacked here in SPITE of GW. I do give him credit for the surge, but he loses any credit he might have gained for taking waaaay too long to figure it out (he also began an outreach to the Iraqi sheiks - something that I think had a LOT more to do with the surge working than just a lot more boots on the ground). GWs policies are making it a lot tougher for the guys standing watch to do their job, and we are losing a lot of what makes this country great in the process.

Steve

[meat]

Originally Posted by VRM

We were attacked because our policies ran contrary to others.

Untrue.

We were attacked - again (two embassy bombings in 1998, World Trade Center 1993, Dhahran Saudi Arabia 1996, USS Cole 2000) - because we had a very weak President who refused to walk the line as George W. Bush has done.

Originally Posted by VRM

There was a small group of people who hated us enough to do something about it. Now, our policies have changed because of GW, and more of the world hates us than ever before.

Untrue.

We have many more allies now than we had in 2001. While the media would like us to believe that we're reviled, it's patently false.

Furthermore, when people decide to leave their countries - for whatever reason; be it persecution, a better life or anything else - they come the United States of America. Common sense - something lacking in statements like "Now, our policies have changed because of GW, and more of the world hates us than ever before" and other statements by the PlayDoh brain trust - dictates that people don't move to the country they hate.

Duh.

Originally Posted by VRM

We have not been attacked here in SPITE of GW. I do give him credit for the surge, but he loses any credit he might have gained for taking waaaay too long to figure it out (he also began an outreach to the Iraqi sheiks - something that I think had a LOT more to do with the surge working than just a lot more boots on the ground). GWs policies are making it a lot tougher for the guys standing watch to do their job, and we are losing a lot of what makes this country great in the process.

Untrue.

We haven't been attacked here because of George W. Bush, his policies, and the departments he has empowered through excellent work as the President of the United States.

I'm sure that there are nut jobs out there that believe that enforcing policies and creating departments to manage them is 'losing a lot of what makes this country great' ... but that's talking from the wrong end of the horse.

George W. Bush will be remembered as a great president, and a great man. Not by the liberals ... but who cares what them lying sacks of sh!t say anyway?

Your pal,
Meat.

[Sharroll Celby]

We haven't been attacked here because of George W. Bush, his policies, and the departments he has empowered through excellent work as the President of the United States.

This statement cannot be proved as fact, ONLY as an opinion.

[meat]

Originally Posted by Sharroll Celby

We haven't been attacked here because of George W. Bush, his policies, and the departments he has empowered through excellent work as the President of the United States.

This statement cannot be proved as fact, ONLY as an opinion.

Nope. It can be proven through agency reports, research, and the FACT that we haven't been attacked here.

Duh.

Your statement, on the other hand, is just an opinion.

Your pal,
Meat.

[Jamo]

"Hey Steve...and your horse!"