Freudian Slip - "My Muslim faith..." - Obama

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Originally Posted by Excaliber

The entire argument of Obama being a Muslim is a .

Snopes and MANY other web sites have dealt with these accusations time and time again, there simply is no truth to it.

Come on, are you actually serious or do you just think the American people are actually that dumb?

It really doesn't make any difference what the snopes take on this is - in his heart, BO is a Muslim but knows that being a Muslim will not get him to the Whitehouse......

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"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction," says Obama".

The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

[Dinobyte]

I could care less about a candidates religious persuasion, as long as what ever it is, he is Amercian first.

If someone kills an American, what ever his god, he needs to make sure that that "Righteous Hand of GOD" comes smacking down on the perps who did the ugly deed. I don't want another "Christian" Jimmy Carter "Like" president who is afraid of his own shadow. He was such a wimp...and a Jew hating wimp at that.

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Originally Posted by Excaliber

I like that quote. I think Obama is right on target. Like the Japanese who were interned in WWII I would hope America has taken these lessons to heart. I to will support the citizens of this country, ALL the citizens as it regards civil rights and human decency. One of my friends is Pakastani, I don't share his religious views, but I would fight for his right to be an American. New citizens need specific assurances that they to are worthy to be Americans, and as the political winds have shifted so often against them, I will stand with them as well.

I am not Muslim in my heart nor do I lean in the direction. I am an American, willing to support any and all other Americans in their quest for freedom.

While Obama DOES NOT specifically say he will stand with the Muslims, it can be inferred. As such you can infer that I too will stand with a Muslim citizen who's rights as an American are being trampled.

I can see you standing against America. Afterall, you are a liberal and some liberals would like to turn America into a socialist country. But, thank God you are in the minority on this site, big time and in the minority in America.

McCain-Palin are headed for a big time win in November. Perhaps you should state that you will leave the country if that perhaps and we will start a collection to send you on your way.

[Dinobyte]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Nor do I want a President that will easily bend over in favor of public opinion, or their own personal standards, that will seek laws and rules to oppress Americans of a different color or religious beliefs. Obama has the courage to speak the truth and risk being misunderstood in support of such peoples.

"I will stand with the Muslims...." Typical of the mis quotes and and paranoia that dominates the current negative campaign against a man willing to speak the truth.

What laws are you talking about Ernie, that oppress people based on color or religious beliefs?

[Dinobyte]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

If I left the USA would anybody notice? I'm not standing against America, I'm standing FOR the rights of American citizens to choose their own religion. That include 'cults' and 'weirdo's' as long as they operate within the framework of the law.

Speaking of laws, thanks for mentioning it Dinobyte, we have to be ever vigilant of potential laws that could impact religious freedom. We need to prosecute those isolated cases where God fearing good old fashioned American's have struck out against those who were 'different' than themselves. Following 9-11 we have many examples of such behaviour, Muslims in particular, were harrased and harmed by these 'God fearing' Americans for no other reason than their religious choice.

Who's next? Catholics? Jehovah Witness? Mormons?

The Patriot Act was a step in the right direction to secure our borders. Without the proper balance it could easily target and has, unfairly, those that 'God fearing' Americans simply consider a possible threat. Without strong leadership we could easily end up with laws that substantially suppress minorities. I see such a threat with Palin, by the way, her 'christian views' are a bit to radical for me. The 'shot gun' marriage of her daughter is disturbing. I would like to think her daughters 'husband to be' is making that decision on his own, not because it's the politically right thing to do.

Ernie,

You still have not answered my question...which law discriminates against someone's religious beliefs or the color of their skin?

Please do not change the subject that you brought up.

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Originally Posted by Dinobyte

Ernie,

You still have not answered my question...which law discriminates against someone's religious beliefs or the color of their skin?

Please do not change the subject that you brought up.

He cannot answer that question. There is no such law - liberal spin is all that he posts, but at least he's easily nailed.

[VRM]

According to the US Constitution, you have to be a US citizen, lived in the US for 14 years, and be 35 years old. There is nothing in the US Constitution that says he/she can't be Muslim, Christian, Hare Krishna, or FSM.

Quite honestly, I think we could use a Muslim president. They would have a much better insight into how to shut down the radical element of their religion. They would also tend to not alienate the honest and honourable Muslims in our society whose help we could use in routing out the criminals in their midst.


And since taking candidates comments out of context seems to make a legitimate election issue, lets look at some by McCain:

"The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should," Ok, well, maybe this is a bad example of taking a comment out of context - it sounds like he just does not know that much about the economy.

Maybe this is a better example:

"I will conduct a respectful debate. Now, it will be dispirited -- it will be spirited -- because there are stark differences. I am a proud conservative, liberal Republica-- conservative Republican...Hello? Easy there."

Hmmm...He is liberal republica? Well republica is Spanish for Republic - we do not have a whole lot going on with Spain right now, but I bet it's Mexico! Yep! He sponsored that immigration bill with kennedy - that clinches it! Liberal and republica!

And if the DNC were to win Congress in 2006:
"I think I'd just commit suicide."

Should we take him seriously on this one? Or is he just holding off until he gets elected and can have Palin take over.

Steve

[Don]

An opportunity to hear the candidates directly on the issues as compared to Opinion/Commentary columns, reporter's interpretations , sometimes mixed with their own opinions, and the audio news clips which may or may not convey the entire message. The web link explains the Debate format etc., etc.,


*** Wall St Journal.com
June 26, 2008, 4:47 pm
New Format Is Proposed for Presidential Debates

Brad Haynes reports on the presidential race.

The Commission on Presidential Debates has proposed three debates featuring a more conversational style without the 30-second responses and time buzzers from previous election years. The debates would consist of eight 10-minute segments, with the moderator proposing a topic and then allowing the candidates to discuss.

Two of the debates would take place with the candidates seated at a table – playing down Sen. Barack Obama’s height advantage over Sen. John McCain – and one would be in a town hall format, where candidates can sit in stools or roam around.

The debates will take place Sept. 26 through Oct. 15 at universities in Mississippi, Tennessee and New York. The commission said seating arrangements are negotiable but the dates and locations of the debates are not up for debate.



*** Commission on Presidential Debates Announces Sites, Dates, Formats and Candidate Selection Criteria for 2008 General Election

http://www.debates.org/pages/news_111907.html

Paul G. Kirk, Jr. and Frank J. Fahrenkopf, Jr., co-chairmen of the non-partisan, non-profit Commission on Presidential Debates ("CPD" or "the Commission") today announced dates, sites and formats of three presidential and one vice presidential debates for the 2008 general election. The dates and sites are:

First presidential debate:
Friday, September 26
University of Mississippi, Oxford, MS

Vice presidential debate:
Thursday, October 2
Washington University in St. Louis, MO

Second presidential debate:
Tuesday, October 7
Belmont University, Nashville, TN

Third presidential debate:
Wednesday, October 15
Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Don

candidates seated at a table – and one would be in a town hall format, where candidates can sit in stools or roam around.

Now why in the world would they choose to sit in stool?

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

[Bugman]

Obama's ability to see "The Big Picture" is what scares me to death! I shudder to think about the how he would react under pressure.