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09-09-2008, 04:36 PM
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Just tell me WHY Obama
If you support him, then why? What is it that you think he will do for this country? (lets focus on the first 100 days). Also, tell me what it is about him that makes you believe he can get it done.
If you are not an Obama supporter, then leave this alone. I just wanna hear from people who support him... lower the noise level.
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09-09-2008, 05:45 PM
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While I'm not a supporter, I do have to say I admire the man for a couple reasons.
First is his refusal to participate in a negative campaign.
Second is as soon as it came out that Palin's daughter was pregnate, he stated that her family was off limits.
I still will not vote for him for other reasons, but I admire him for that.
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09-10-2008, 01:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverback51
While I'm not a supporter, I do have to say I admire the man for a couple reasons.
First is his refusal to participate in a negative campaign.
Second is as soon as it came out that Palin's daughter was pregnate, he stated that her family was off limits.
I still will not vote for him for other reasons, but I admire him for that.
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Thier refusal to run a negative campaign is because they would be seen as bullys if they tried to attack America's newest sweetheart, Gov. Palin. And B.O. made the hands off family speech before Palin was even chosen due to his daughters being interviewed by a reporter.
The bloom is off the rose!
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09-10-2008, 01:46 PM
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When the lower 50% pay zero income tax now,how are they going to get a tax cut ?
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09-10-2008, 01:59 PM
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When the lower 50% pay zero income tax now,how are they going to get a tax cut ?
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Wrong Fred - 33%.
And most of them are young single females. Maybe you should adopt one?   
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09-10-2008, 01:54 PM
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Obama says that 95% of americans will see income taxes go down. He apparently is a victim of the new math. how much can the taxes possibly go up on the remaining 5% to pay for just those "reduced taxes". Plus a large number of the policies he's proposing (when you can find one) will cost more money, plus he's going to reduce the deficit, get everyone health care and save social security. What will this country look like when he takes ALL of the top 5% income?
Start to think people
Until the idiot Illinois republicans put up the nutbag opponent against him in 2006, Obama was a Chicago dem party hack that no one knew of outside city hall and his district. PRESIDENT???? not hardly.
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09-10-2008, 02:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mdmull
Obama says that 95% of americans will see income taxes go down. He apparently is a victim of the new math. how much can the taxes possibly go up on the remaining 5% to pay for just those "reduced taxes". Plus a large number of the policies he's proposing (when you can find one) will cost more money, plus he's going to reduce the deficit, get everyone health care and save social security. What will this country look like when he takes ALL of the top 5% income?
Start to think people
Until the idiot Illinois republicans put up the nutbag opponent against him in 2006, Obama was a Chicago dem party hack that no one knew of outside city hall and his district. PRESIDENT???? not hardly.
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As I already said - the number is about 85%. McCain will also offer tax cuts: they will be significant for people who make over 250K, and marginal or non-existent for those that make under. Both candidates will pay for it the same way - by raising the national debt (which has already doubled in the last 8 years).
If I tried to run my finances the way Bush has done, or the way Obama and McCain want to do i would have been sent to debtors prison a long time ago.
As you said - think people - but don't just look at Obamas plans and say they stink - McCains plans are not always the smartest either.
Steve
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09-10-2008, 02:10 PM
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Steve I was emblishing the "zero" because it is so close to zero it doesn't matter.They now only pay 3.6%.
The point being is that there will be checks mailed out to all these free loaders,paid for by people that are already paying for everything.
It is SOCIALISM.
Feeling overtaxed? Under the U.S. income tax system, most of the taxes collected are supposed to be paid by the people who make the most money. Thanks to President Bush's tax cuts, that is exactly the way the system works, says the U.S. Treasury Department.
According to the Office of Tax Analysis, the U.S. individual income tax is "highly progressive," with a small group of higher-income taxpayers paying most of the individual income taxes each year.
In 2002 the latest year of available data, the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income.
The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share.
Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total.
Treasury Department analysts credit President Bush's tax cuts with shifting a larger share of the individual income taxes paid to higher income taxpayers. In 2005, says the Treasury, when most of the tax cut provisions are fully in effect (e.g., lower tax rates, the $1,000 child credit, marriage penalty relief), the projected tax share for lower-income taxpayers will fall, while the tax share for higher-income taxpayers will rise.
The share of taxes paid by the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers will fall from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent.
The share of taxes paid by the top 1 percent of taxpayers will rise from 32.3 percent to 33.7 percent.
The average tax rate for the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers falls by 27 percent as compared to a 13 percent decline for taxpayers in the top 1 percent.
The White House has announced it will lobby Congress to pass legislation making most of President Bush's tax cutting measures permanent.
Source: U.S. Treasury, Office of Tax Analysis
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/income...hopaysmost.htm
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09-10-2008, 09:32 PM
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Why should we vote for John? The last republican administration spent more than all the other preceding administrations combined. And dont give me that BS about compounding. Did you income double in the last 8 years? Where did it get us? Now that the economy is down and we need economic stimulus, we have no money. The dollar is so low because no foreigner wants US dollars. The interest rate remains low because of the dire economic situation. continued low interest rates equal continued low foreign investment. We are stuck to a degree. The national debt is out of control. There is no choice but to raise taxes in some fashion. By the way, Warren Buffet testified in front of congress that he pays way too little in taxes.
All I ask is that we remain open minded and at least listen to the debates. So many people think of this as nothing more than a football game rooting their team on. They would never even consider looking at the other side. Folks, you have a civic duty (read national responsibility) to listen to the candidates and make an informed decision. Anything else is unAmerican. Listen to the debates with an open mind and then vote.
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09-10-2008, 09:35 PM
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I just got the following e-mail:
THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
I know that some of you don't like to read long drawn out missives... so
here's the executive summary:
John McCain---> Congress: 26 Years / Military: 22 Years.
Barrack Obama---> Congress: 143 days / Military: 0 days.
Just think how great a professional of any kind you could
be with only 143 days of experience!!!
People want change so badly? . . . . maybe we should
lower the experience requirement for doctors, lawyers,
airline pilots, etc. This would cause some change!
Obama's 143 Days of Senate Experience
Just how much Senate experience does Barack Obama
have in terms of actual work days? Not much.
From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United
States Senator, to the time he announced he was forming
a Presidential exploratory Committee, he logged 143 days
of experience in the Senate.
That's how many days the Senate was actually in session
and working.
The one single Senate committee that he headed never
even met -- once.
After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he
was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the
Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR,
JFK and Ronald Reagan.
Think about it.......143 days -- 20.4 weeks -- 4.7 months ...
Our children spend more time in pre-school getting ready
for kindergarten.
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09-10-2008, 10:39 PM
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Why should we vote for John? The last republican administration spent more than all the other preceding administrations combined. And dont give me that BS about compounding. Did you income double in the last 8 years? Where did it get us? Now that the economy is down and we need economic stimulus, we have no money. The dollar is so low because no foreigner wants US dollars. The interest rate remains low because of the dire economic situation. continued low interest rates equal continued low foreign investment. We are stuck to a degree. The national debt is out of control. There is no choice but to raise taxes in some fashion. By the way, Warren Buffet testified in front of congress that he pays way too little in taxes.
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Why? To save just one unborn child from partial birth abortion. Bush signed an executive order banning it. It is still in place. Wanna bet what will be one of Obama's first actions in His first 100 days? (yes, I meant to capitalize his)
If you feel taxes should increase, then add some to your return. Have no money now? Wait till Obama gets ahold of your wallet. Me? I can't wait for the debates.
Mike
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09-10-2008, 10:45 PM
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Since no brave soul will answer my question, let me take a stab at it for you:
1. "Free" health care
2. "Free" housing (bail you out)
3. "Free" college
4. "Free" health care
5. "Free" jobs
6. More taxes (on the "rich" that is)
Did I mention "free" health care?
Cowards.
Mike
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09-11-2008, 10:24 AM
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By the way, Warren Buffet testified in front of congress that he pays way too little in taxes.
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I have only heard this from those who haven't earned their money by hard work. (ie, top of the entertainment people (sport included) CEO'S )
Unfortunately, it would be great to "root" for an altruistic team to come up and win it all, but given the choices we are limited to, we are stuck with what is presented. Until we have a revolution to correct the corruption so prevalent in our government, we are stuck throwing all our eggs into the one person who isn't the worst one. (thus the passion (CDC/EXCAL) behind the posts)
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09-11-2008, 12:56 PM
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Mr. OBAMA keeps calling for change- BUT when he was a state rep not once did he introduce any bill for change and as a senator the same thing, no bills for any change.
And now he is going to change things- i think not!!
He said he would not take money from 521's and now he is, not take money from corporate lobby's and now he doe's. I GUESS THAT IS THE CHANGE.
Obama scares me- i dont make 250g's but in 2 years will it drop to 150g's once they start a tax it NEVER GOES DOWN!
SOMEBODY PLEASE tell me what O will do, so far i have not heard one word from any of his supporter here- only thing i get for an answer is McCain is scum and its Bush's fault.
GREAT ANSWERS!!
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09-11-2008, 06:22 PM
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Boston politicians passed a healthcare for all last year- its millions in debt already in just one year- yup time for a tax increase to support it.
When Obama tells us about his plan for healthcare-- us watch out- His cost 5 billion or what ever it is -real cost 10 times that and WE WILL PAY
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09-11-2008, 09:59 PM
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Will somebody please list all of Obama's qualifications, experience, etc. that makes him presidential material?
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09-11-2008, 10:01 PM
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Will somebody please list all of Obama's qualifications, experience, etc. that makes him presidential material?
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His ears.

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09-11-2008, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by J. T. Toad
His ears.

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09-12-2008, 05:08 AM
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ernie, you obviously missed his conversion to 'appeasement' from change!, and you accuse someone of 'not getting it?'. You have been ask many times to list 'O'NO!'s qualifications to which you spin with frivolous generalizations as a way to answer by not answering.
The absolute best argument for supporting McCain, is a good read of your post. Thanks for your support of the next President of the United States......John McCain!.
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09-12-2008, 06:27 AM
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He's an American.....I think, that's the only thing he's got going for him with regards to being qualified.
Bill
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