Cleared my calendar to stay focused on the Lounge!

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by imagine2frolic

J.T. TOAD,

Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, Hancock, and a whole handful of others. Weren't these men considered radical thinkers? A simple yes, or no would do. Then you can have my answer.

Questions, with a question... ok.

If I were to agree to that, wouldn't Marx, Jim Jones, Xerxes, Hitler, Ghengis Kahn, Che Rivera, Osama, Qaddafi, Castro be considered "radical" also?

[FWB]

i think it was jim jones that made one hell of a kool-aide....wasnt it?

[imagine2frolic]

Ah, and now you get my point. Radical is not necessarily bad. Everybody keeps throwing the word radical around like it is a bad thing....NOT ALWAYS. 1 vote for Mac here.

I thought the picture on the front of Atlantic made him look like a warrior!

[cobra bill]

Let me see, Barack Obama and Joe Biden are both Constitutional scholars,
and Bush and the neo conservatives have all but tore it up, don't you think it might be a good idea to put someone in office who knows why we have a constitution?
we tried stupid but someone I would like to have a beer with for the last 8 years, I don't see ware that worked out so well for us!

All the great things to ever come out of this country was done by so called radical progressives, I for one think it's time to get back to that great tradition.
Name one thing the so called conservatives have ever done? They just want us all to be mushrooms, keep us in the dark and feed us bull****!

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by cobra bill

Let me see, Barack Obama and Joes Biden are both Constitutional scholars,

Dude, call your doctor, I think you are having a bad interaction with your medication.

well, I guess you didn't clarify whose Constitution you are talking about.

[FWB]

constitutional scholars!!!!!!.......i am fgreakin going to wet myself......
lol.....wow, ok slowly put down the koolaide you may hurt yourself, an actual
brain cell might emerge and take over with a fact or two

[turnpike boy]

Steady, bro...as JT said, they didn't specify which constitution they were scholars of. Certainly not the one we all defer to.

[cobra bill]

I see that an education scares you people! so I take it from your reactions that you like stupid people in the Whitehouse, and especially the ones that will walk all over the constitution like the current administration.

No one was able to answer my question I posed at the end of my post!

[turnpike boy]

Originally Posted by cobra bill

I see that an education scares you people! so I take it from your reactions that you like stupid people in the Whitehouse, and especially the ones that will walk all over the constitution like the current administration.

No one was able to answer my question I posed at the end of my post!

No problem. They recognize that the Constitution applies to all, and that rights enumerated aren't rights granted by them.

If you can, keep in mind that it was a Democratically-controlled Congress that passed the Patriot Act.

[cobra bill]

Your right, they did sign it back into law, that one really pissed me off, but who dreamed up the stupid scheme?

[turnpike boy]

I suppose that would matter only IF the Dems hadn't liked it enough to make the bill veto-proof.

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by cobra bill

Name one thing the so called conservatives have ever done?

The Panama Canal.

[cobra bill]

Interesting that you should use Theodore Roosevelt as your one example,
he was more of a liberal then a conservative, he was A leader of the Republican Party and of the Progressive Movement.



Theodore Roosevelt (IPA: /ˈroʊzəvɛlt/;[2] October 27, 1858 – January 6, 1919), also known as T.R., and to the public (but never to friends and intimates) as Teddy, was the twenty-sixth President of the United States. A leader of the Republican Party and of the Progressive Movement, he was a Governor of New York and a professional historian, naturalist, explorer, hunter, author, and soldier. He is most famous for his personality: his energy, his vast range of interests and achievements, his model of masculinity, and his "cowboy" personality. Originating from a story from one of Roosevelt's hunting expeditions, Teddy bears are named after him.

Progressivism is a term that refers to a broad school of international social and political philosophies. Politically speaking, progressivism can be described as being socially liberal. The term progressive was first widely used in late 19th century America, in reference to a general branch of political thought which arose as a response to the vast changes brought by industrialization, and as an alternative both to the traditional conservative response to social and economic issues and to the various more or less radical streams of socialism and anarchism which opposed them. Political parties such as the American Progressive Party organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.[1] Progressive Conservative Party of Canada was the Canada's oldest party until it was dissolved in 2003. The PC Party generally followed a centre-right agenda, with conservative pro-business policies.

U.S. progressivism historically advocates the advancement of workers' rights and social justice. The progressives were early proponents of anti-trust laws, regulation of large corporations and monopolies, as well as government-funded environmentalism and the creation of National Parks and Wildlife Refuges.

[427 S/O]

ernie must have quit his job at the 'garage door' company, mfg. or whatever. That's where I sent the carburetors I sold him?.

[J. T. Toad]

No liberal policy would have allowed the Panama Canal. Not enough pork in it.

oh, that explains why he killed the elephantS. Quite the conservationist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:R...i_elephant.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt

uh huh.... yep tasty tasty

"512 of the animals were big game animals, including six rare white rhinos. 262 of these were consumed by the expedition. "


there is a difference between progressive and liberal.. I doubt you'd ever know the difference.

He had a career very similar to McCain. So I guess you'll be voting for McCain then.

OOPS...

"Roosevelt believed in the more efficient use of natural resources by corporations like lumber companies unlike Muir"

uh oh... that doesn't sound liberal to me.....

yep... quite the liberal

"The reform annoyed the public, forcing him to rescind the order."

[cobra bill]

I was for a long time a registered republican, until the neocons hijacked the party,
so now I vote for the only party that's left that is not for a theocracy! and I would call myself a progressive more than a liberal, most of my conservative friends think I'm too conservative to be a democrat, but as I said earlier, that was before the party was high jacked!

[Stentor]

Originally Posted by cobra bill

I see that an education scares you people! so I take it from your reactions that you like stupid people in the Whitehouse, and especially the ones that will walk all over the constitution like the current administration.

No one was able to answer my question I posed at the end of my post!

Oh educated one....it's actually the White House, not the "Whitehouse."

Maybe you need to go back to school (based on some of your less-than-objective political posts).