How Joe The Plumber makes $250,000+

[427 S/O]

Quote MChat: A. find a qualified candidate B. actually perform the job well.


Man! that is SO true, might I suggest two more...C. Pass a drug test and D. Pass a (criminal) background check.

Finding anyone that meets those four!, is one fine individual.

[VRM]

MChat,
I'm seeing a bit of a different reality up my way (New England - North of Boston, right on the New Hampshire border).
A friend of mine works as a sheetmetal worker in NH. 3 months ago his hours were cut to 32 because the work was slowing down. His boss recently told him and the other guys that their hours would be cut to 28. Two of the other guys quit, so his hours are back up to 40, but he only expects that to last for a couple of months.
My wife and I go out most every Friday night. The places we go were usually packed, and if you were not there by 5:30 there would be a wait sometimes as long as an hour. It is not packed these days, and our favourite waitress has told us that they have also cut a few hours. People are just not spending money, and it is hurting pretty much all businesses. And I agree about inflation!

I don't like the idea of taxing businesses either, but the middle class needs the break right now more than the businesses do. If the business has customers their profits will increase even with the Fed taking a % of it. If Obamas plan had the cuts that it has now for the middle class, but did not raise taxes for anybody else I would consider voting for him. McCains tax plan will not get the economy moving again.

Steve

[Ron61]

Steve,

About the eating out. From what a woman that I keep in touch with in Ohio tells me. it is the same there. I remember when I was working and had to go back there a few times, I thought that every person in the state must eat out as you couldn't get into one of the better places with less than a 5 hour wait and better if you phoned in a reservation a day early. Now she tells me you can walk in any time and have your choice of where you want to sit. I think that is pretty common all over as there have been 5 restaurants close in the past 8 months here in this small town, and one of them had been around for almost 45 years.

Ron

[MChat]

Originally Posted by VRM

I don't like the idea of taxing businesses either, but the middle class needs the break right now more than the businesses do. If the business has customers their profits will increase even with the Fed taking a % of it. If Obamas plan had the cuts that it has now for the middle class, but did not raise taxes for anybody else I would consider voting for him. McCains tax plan will not get the economy moving again.

Steve

I got a better idea: How about the Gov't stop spending so much money. We could start by not giving foreign aid to countries that hate us. Stop requiring States to "use or lose" Federal dollars (let unused $$$ come back to the Fed without affecting next years state alotment).

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by VRM

MChat,
I don't think you know me, and I don't think I've seen you around much. Welcome.
Anyway, I'm not voting for Obama, nor am I voting for McCain. I don't want either of them running the show, but for different reasons for each one.

I do not want businesses to have to pay too much taxes either, but when business is down people get rid of employees, or cut hours. Most businesses do not hold on to employees anymore.

Remember Henry Ford? He paid his employees well enough so that they could afford the product that they made. If the Fed comes along and takes away all the earnings of the employees then nobody will be able to afford the product and Ford goes out of business. And I agree that if the Fed taxes the company too much then it will no longer be worth the effort and the company will shut down. It has to work both ways, and it has to stay balanced. The GOP pushes too far towards the companies, the DNC pushes too far towards the workers.


CdC,
I can always rely on you to answer a question with vapid hyperbole and propaganda posters. Get a clue - or do you just prefer to crib your answers from MChat? No need to answer - you already provided it. I bet you used somebody elses financial acumen to get where you are with your profession.

Steve

Originally Posted by MChat

I got a better idea: How about the Gov't stop spending so much money. We could start by not giving foreign aid to countries that hate us. Stop requiring States to "use or lose" Federal dollars (let unused $$$ come back to the Fed without affecting next years state alotment).

OK, so which set of candidates is more likely to 'save' dollars or not spend dollars? This is really a no-brainer for most fully human beings.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by MChat

I got a better idea: How about the Gov't stop spending so much money. We could start by not giving foreign aid to countries that hate us. Stop requiring States to "use or lose" Federal dollars (let unused $$$ come back to the Fed without affecting next years state alotment).

Yep, I agree with that. I think McCain will do a better job there than Obama, but I still do not think McCain will do a good job. I think he will cut a few things here and there, but it will mostly be business as usual.
BTW, I'm voting for Ron Paul - he would do a much better job than either Obama or McCain. Yeah, he is a little shrill, and does not always present well, but so far he is the only guy I have even a shred of respect for. And his record bears out his desire for small government and small taxes.

Steve

[MChat]

Originally Posted by VRM

BTW, I'm voting for Ron Paul - he would do a much better job than either Obama or McCain. Yeah, he is a little shrill, and does not always present well, but so far he is the only guy I have even a shred of respect for. And his record bears out his desire for small government and small taxes.

Steve

As conservative as I am, you might be surprised to know that I've voted for 3rd party candidates (usually libertarian*) for 3 of the last 4 elections. The reason, for me, is simple. The Republican party no longer seems to want to represent conservatives. The Rep party is catering to the centrists while the Dems go after the far left. Give me a strong conservative party that'll fight to put this country back on the right track.

It has been my luxury to vote 3rd party in the past as I live in a primarily Republican state (AZ); I'm not so sure that's the case anymore. If everyone who didn't like either of the 2 major candiates actually voted 3rd party, then we'd have an honest chance. But thanks to our "don't throw your vote away" media that's not going to happen; the media knows how to manipulate the sheeple.

*Although the libertarian platform has some planks I don't agree with, they're the biggest party that is for Individual Responsibility and Smaller Government. Two things we desperately need in this country.

My position is that the GOVERNment's job is to GOVERN (hence the name). If it were meant to PROVIDE (as the left wants) it would have been called a PROVIDERment. The Government's job is defense and justice. That is to defend against foreign attack (this also includes foreign relations/policy) and to judge & punish wrong-doers (and in the case of our Federal Gov't to settle disputes between states). It is the Church's responsibility to provide charity, not the governments. It's the individual's job to provide for his family and his future (retirement).

[NeoConMan]

Originally Posted by VRM

I'm voting for Ron Paul
Yeah, he is a little shrill, and does not always present well, but so far he is the only guy I have even a shred of respect for.
And his record bears out his desire for small government and small taxes.

Ron Paul is nuttier than a sh!t house rat.
I have to ask the Paul supporters this;
How long have you been following him?

I was well aware of his "quirks" when he first took office in the eighties.
I owned property and a home in Brazoria County Texas for 15 years.

He can say all the right things to get people to follow him, honestly I agree with him on principle on 90% of his platform.
But the two Achilles Tendons are legalizing dope and opening the borders.

Screw that, I'll keep voting Republican and melting the phones in McCain's offices like I've done for 8 years. I've never voted for that axxhole, never liked him, and come November I'll be like a kid eating spinach when I cat my ballot for him.

Voting for your candidate is NOT the end, it's the beginning.
Get on the phones, get in touch with their staffers, and TELL THEM when they piss you off.




By the way, I thought ex-Republican Bob Barr was the Libertarian candidate...