Buffett, Powell, & Ernie

KeithBrown · #1 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 10:12 AM

I don't give a rat's rear end how any other person (especially a celebrity - including politicians, actors, sports stars or famous business people) either endorses or votes for. They are stupid on both sides of the aisle.

imagine2frolic · #2 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KeithBrown

I don't give a rat's rear end how any other person (especially a celebrity - including politicians, actors, sports stars or famous business people) either endorses or votes for. They are stupid on both sides of the aisle.

Yes they are stupid on both sides of the aisle

. Even worse I think it is the greed that is killing America

CDC, You have no comment on our warrior Mr. Powell. I think Bush turned him sour on being a republican. I will say this about the man. He did leave with honor without bashing GW. Powell could have gotten my vote anytime!

J. T. Toad · #3 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 02:20 PM

Buffett wants to repeal one of the greatest legislative achievements of all time.. Prop 13.

http://www.wealthandwant.com/docs/Buffett_Prop13.html

He is all for redistribution of wealth, as he has afforded legal loophole protection for his own.

Powell? the biggest irony of all.... from the other thread...

Irony = having a war promoter in an administration opposed to war.

10/20/08

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...dministration/

"WASHINGTON -- Colin Powell will have a role as a top presidential adviser in an Obama administration, the Democratic White House hopeful said Monday."

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...ndorses-obama/

"Colin Powell, the man who delivered to the United Nations the U.S. case for war against Iraq, announced Sunday that he is going to vote for Barack Obama for president. "

Political stance: from Obama's website

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

"Barack Obama opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning. "

imagine2frolic · #4 (**permalink**) 10-22-2008, 01:30 PM

[quote=J. T. Toad;891078]Buffett wants to repeal one of the greatest legislative achievements of all time.. Prop 13.

I have to disagree with this. Prop 13 left the state without much needed resources. How do you think the fire dept gets paid, or any other dept. It was all about.....Hey I have got my foot in the door. Don't tax me! JUST TAX EVERONE ELSE AFTER ME..............

J. T. Toad · #5 (**permalink**) 10-22-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

Buffett wants to repeal one of the greatest legislative achievements of all time.. Prop 13.

I have to disagree with this. Prop 13 left the state without much needed resources. How do you think the fire dept gets paid, or any other dept. It was all about.....Hey I have got my foot in the door. Don't tax me! JUST TAX EVERONE ELSE AFTER ME..............

do you realize that many states provide more on less taxation? Not every state even collects property tax. If you feel that strongly about it, maybe you should register your boat here in California. Yeah I know how the fire, police, and corrections department gets paid, they have got the greatest retirement plan on the books. Never mind the abuses in workers compensation.

Even your state is against your wisdom....

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...632143,00.html

"Florida's problem is similar to what California faced in the 1970s: a deluge of new residents and feckless growth management have driven real estate values, and therefore property taxes, beyond the reach of more and more households."

AND WE PAY AN INCOME TAX!

No wonder why Obama has so much support with such fishbowl vision of money and taxed.

Just because you don't see a storm on the horizon, that doesn't mean your about to witness weather in it's unyielding power.

http://goaustralia.about.com/od/even...s/a/sydhob.htm

cobra de capell · #6 (**permalink**) 10-22-2008, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by imagine2frolic

Yes they are stupid on both sides of the aisle

. Even worse I think it is the greed that is killing America

CDC, You have no comment on our warrior Mr. Powell. I think Bush turned him sour on being a republican. I will say this about the man. He did leave with honor without bashing GW. Powell could have gotten my vote anytime!

Actually, I do - he's always been a RINO and going with Obama simply proves it - based on BO views of the military - Powell has lost any credibility that he had, period.

VRM · #7 (**permalink**) 10-22-2008, 09:38 AM

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Actually, I do - he's always been a RINO and going with Obama simply proves it - based on BO views of the military - Powell has lost any credibility that he had, period.

OK, what are BOs views of the military?

FWB · #8 (**permalink**) 10-22-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by VRM

OK, what are BOs views of the military?

the only views, as much of BO's views are vague.... he has stated on more than one occasion he will shrink the military and defund current and future weapon systems. doesn't sound very "pro" national security to me

VRM · #9 (**permalink**) 10-22-2008, 11:07 AM

FWB,
I could (and have) said the same thing about Bush. Having more enemies (and making new ones) than friends is also not in our national security interests either.

Rummy wanted to shrink the military as do everything with small fast forces. We need both the scalpel and the sledghammer.

And actually, Obama wants to increase the Army and Marines by 65 and 27K respectively, as well as replacing some of the older ships in the Navy. He does also want to review weapons programs.

Steve

cobra de capell · #10 (**permalink**) 10-22-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by VRM

FWB,
I could (and have) said the same thing about Bush. Having more enemies (and making new ones) than friends is also not in our national security interests either.

Rummy wanted to shrink the military as do everything with small fast forces. We need both the scalpel and the sledghammer.

And actually, Obama wants to increase the Army and Marines by 65 and 27K respectively, as well as replacing some of the older ships in the Navy. He does also want to review weapons programs.

Steve

Can you honestly believe anything that Obama says about the Military, Steve - especially increases, replacing anything except perhaps with a flower? If you can honesty state that you believe he will actively support the military in any way, your naiveté is showing. He's clearly not repeating a lot of negatives about the military to get elected. Your vote for the loser, Ron Paul may just put Obama over the top - if that happens, the entire club will not forget who did it.

cobra de capell · #11 (**permalink**) 10-22-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by VRM

OK, what are BOs views of the military?

BO statements...............

...I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president I will end it.

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.

I will not weaponize space.

I will slow our development of future combat systems.

And I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.

Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.

J. T. Toad · #12 (**permalink**) 10-22-2008, 10:34 AM

Something's wrong.

Steve normally has all the answers.

VRM · #13 (**permalink**) 10-22-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

Steve normally has all the answers.

Only 'cause I read everything I can get my hands on...except Cosmo...

VRM · #14 (**permalink**) 10-22-2008, 11:28 AM

BO statements...............

...I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president I will end it.Against Iraq, fine, but we will need to stay in Afghanistan for a while longer.

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending. Good - there are lots of place in government that this should happen.So I'm guessing you are in favour of wasteful spending!?! Makes sense - your party has managed to grow government and double the national debt in just 7 years, so i shouldn't be surprised.

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. If anybody hits us with missiles we will know where they came from and we will be able to obliterate them in return. This is the essence of MAD. We should use this money to develop better detection for WMD entering the borders.

I will not weaponize space.Good - they violate a treaty we signed. Congress can change this if they want.

I will slow our development of future combat systems. Bad - WTF is he thinking!?!

And I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending. On the fence - this could go either way, depending on the level of objectivity of the people on the board.

Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals. Bad - WMD is a good deterrent against a first strike of both conventional and WMD. Having nukes on hair trigger alert is not good, though.