I am pro choice...

[Scott S]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Scott - I was joshin' with Perry re his prior post.
I can agree to that as long as these individuals are rational enough to consider the plight of, say, a 13 year old girl impregnated by a crackhead with HIV. Whose actions should she be held responsible for?

You choose an extreme example to illustrate a position, why not argue a 30 year old MBA that has become pregnant, I am willing to bet far more of them do than babies being raped by crackheads.

I am willing to admit minors get a pass in most cases once, is that rational?

Scott S

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by Scott S

You choose an extreme example to illustrate a position, why not argue a 30 year old MBA that has become pregnant, I am willing to bet far more of them do than babies being raped by crackheads.

I am willing to admit minors get a pass in most cases once, is that rational?

Scott S

Two completely different scenarios. That's the point - there's far too many possible scenarios for one dogmatic policy or position to cover. I suspect our respective positions in the case of the MBA would not be different at all. And since we also seem to agree on the case of the minor, well theres the common ground I was talking about.
That right there is the rationale behind rational people getting together to rationalize!

[Scott S]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Two completely different scenarios. That's the point - :

I think you missed my point, you chose one of the examples extremists do to enhance the argument. I chose a scenario that happens often out of irresponsibility.

The pro life crowd is upset about babies getting killed, they are the most upset the government using tax dollars to do so. If the abortion mills would charge the MBA enough to cover the gratis work done on the 13 year old many of the protests would end.

Scott S

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by Scott S

I think you missed my point, you chose one of the examples extremists do to enhance the argument. I chose a scenario that happens often out of irresponsibility.

The pro life crowd is upset about babies getting killed, they are the most upset the government using tax dollars to do so. If the abortion mills would charge the MBA enough to cover the gratis work done on the 13 year old many of the protests would end.

Scott S

Some would choose to inerpret your statement as implying that its more about the dollars than the deaths. IOW people can choose to kill babies all they want as long as you ain't payin for it with your tax dollars!

I prefer however to understand it as saying - if abortion was made pohibitively expensive (it should cost waaay more than carrying to term and giving birth) and only the established cases of acceptable abortion per a set of well defined criteria (ie rape of a minor) were subsidized out of the surplus, then all would be well? Sounds good to me.

PS; I must also add that I do believe that past a certain point in the development of the fetus, NO abortion is acceptable unless continued pregnancy and giving birth would be fatal to the mother and / or the baby. That opens up a whole 'nother can of worms, though - the argument about when a cluster of growing and dividing cells actually becomes a baby human being.

[Scott S]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Some would choose to inerpret your statement as implying that its more about the dollars than the deaths. IOW people can choose to kill babies all they want as long as you ain't payin for it with your tax dollars!

The deaths matter they always do, it is the convoluted connection some have with the dollars from taxpayers and being used for the abortions. The most extreme see that as a sin, just as the most extreme think a fetus is just a period that should have happened.

Let's go back to the 13 year old, do you think the abortion clinic should have a responsibility to report the rape and help determine the father?

Why is there such a fight to prevent such reporting by the clinics?

Scott S