Free speech.....war comming....

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by RAZOR

1ntCobra, First of all how do you measure fair, and unfair I notice this is a word the liberals use a lot. I know how to measure right and wrong, legal and illegal,even equitable and inequitable, but FAIR is just too ambiguous, and the desire to make life fair is unattainable, because of its ambiguity. Kids complain all the time that what they need to do, or whats happened to them is not fair, to which most parents will respond, Life's not fair, so deal with it, and that is a true statement, I am not worried about making things fair, although this is one of Obamas main motivations in his economic plan. Its just a poor way of guiding our society.

I don't know who wants to build Church's with federal money or wanting religion to be taught in schools,you reading way to much into this.

Would you be against a group of students having a bible club on their own as a before or after school activity? Its a religious activity on government property? Thats the issue.
Other groups can do it, sports groups, gay and lesbian groups, etc. But not religious groups, so you see it is a issue of free speech, and an impediment to exercising freedom of religion, when they discriminate saying that most other groups can meet their but if its religious they can't.

Please try avoiding the word "Obama" in your post, it just makes me angry.

Hmm, I always thought that separation of church and state was a good way to ensure freedom of religion. We don't have a government chosen and sponsored religion. Why do you want to bring a religious activity to a government building? Doesn't your church offer after school religious activities? Mine does. If your church is too cheap or you are not active enough in it to arrange such an activity at your church, perhaps you should pick a different church? Use your church to support your choice of religion. I don't use my church to teach my kids math, science or reading. You certainly still have freedom of religion and freedom of speech when you practice your religion outside of government buildings. I don't see bible studies going on at work, but some employers that I have worked for have had bowling, soccer and softball leagues. Is my employer interfering with my freedom of religion or my freedom of speech? I don't see it that way.

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Please try avoiding the word "Obama" in your post, it just makes me angry.

Hmm, I always thought that separation of church and state was a good way to ensure freedom of religion. We don't have a government chosen and sponsored religion. Why do you want to bring a religious activity to a government building? Doesn't your church offer after school religious activities? Mine does. If your church is too cheap or you are not active enough in it to arrange such an activity at your church, perhaps you should pick a different church? Use your church to support your choice of religion. I don't use my church to teach my kids math, science or reading. You certainly still have freedom of religion and freedom of speech when you practice your religion outside of government buildings. I don't see bible studies going on at work, but some employers that I have worked for have had bowling, soccer and softball leagues. Is my employer interfering with my freedom of religion or my freedom of speech? I don't see it that way.

Just curious why does the mention of Obama make you mad?

You didn't answer my question directly, but I infer from your employer analogy that a its alright to refuse a bible club, by the way does your employer deny you the right to have a bible club, on your own time? Just using your analogy. So a group of kids want to get together before or after school and pray, no doctrine taught, no church name,but you don't think they can do this, right? The gay-lesbians, the environmental group, the young democrats, republicans, and socialist can, but the religious kids can't. Please tell me If this is not your position.

You keep going all over about what is the real issue, a church too cheap, yea that a real valid point
Keep focused.

Could you define what you think, separation of church and state is? And what law or historical writing do you base your opinion on. I don't know where I said I was for it or against it, I was asking you questions and you seem to assume a lot.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by RAZOR

Just curious why does the mention of Obama make you mad?

You didn't answer my question directly, but I infer from your employer analogy that a its alright to refuse a bible club, by the way does your employer deny you the right to have a bible club, on your own time? Just using your analogy. So a group of kids want to get together before or after school and pray, no doctrine taught, no church name,but you don't think they can do this, right? The gay-lesbians, the environmental group, the young democrats, republicans, and socialist can, but the religious kids can't. Please tell me If this is not your position.

You keep going all over about what is the real issue, a church too cheap, yea that a real valid point
Keep focused.

Could you define what you think, separation of church and state is? And what law or historical writing do you base your opinion on. I don't know where I said I was for it or against it, I was asking you questions and you seem to assume a lot.

Obama. Maybe I should give the slick talking snake oil salesman a chance...

When I was in high school you needed a teacher to be involved in after school activities. And we did not have political groups, gay groups or religious groups. We had sports, photography club, chess club, computer club, mathletes. When you get a teacher involved in a school group, that just seems like you are getting the public school and therefore the government mixed up in religion. In your school system, can have an after school activity without a school teacher involved?

I don't know whether employers deny bible study groups. At my previous employer there was a group of employees that was involved in a bible study group. They did not meet at the office, they would get together in the privacy of members homes.