Need help from knowledegable class III gun dealer

[Ronbo]

Yep, two major changes in the laws:

Gun control act of '68 was the big one, however possession of "components" were still legal (somewhat) without license.

Then in '86 possession of any component was considered the same as having a un-licensed machine gun. The NRA published articles about Colt AR-15s that were assembled with one or more M-16 parts that a few people got nailed by the BATF over, I checked mine and sure enough there was one M-16 part in it (disconnecter). Needless to say I switched that out pronto.

Even legal transfers can be a big PIA if not impossible, depends on your local sheriff's stance on signing off on them. You also toss out your right to not be searched as the BATF has the right to enter hour home to preform "inspections" with no notice given. (and no warrant needed)

If it's not NFA-listed, stay away.

[misfit41]

Originally Posted by Ronbo

Yep, two major changes in the laws:

Gun control act of '68 was the big one, however possession of "components" were still legal (somewhat) without license.

Then in '86 possession of any component was considered the same as having a un-licensed machine gun. The NRA published articles about Colt AR-15s that were assembled with one or more M-16 parts that a few people got nailed by the BATF over, I checked mine and sure enough there was one M-16 part in it (disconnecter). Needless to say I switched that out pronto.

Even legal transfers can be a big PIA if not impossible, depends on your local sheriff's stance on signing off on them. You also toss out your right to not be searched as the BATF has the right to enter hour home to preform "inspections" with no notice given. (and no warrant needed)

If it's not NFA-listed, stay away.

I already have a federal tax stamp for a supressed 10/22 I built up a few years ago and your right,batf has the right to come anytime to see the aformentioned weapon which I really don't have a problem with. I also remember the new laws in 87 . I had several built up ar15/m16's that only needed drop in sears ,I was legal as long as the sear wasn't installed. When the law changed I broke them down and went back to stock selling the parts to a class 3 dealer.
The atf's curio and relic list gives amnesty to normally illegal guns which are on their list. My gun is there . I also personally know two people who have contacted the atf and were able to get guns not on the list added .I am not sure how the current state or our world has affected that .I also realize if I were to take possession of this gun it would be an offense. If I am lucky enough to learn it will work and do get the chance to own it I have a class 3 dealer who will pick it up store it while I do the application process.
I appreciate the input, I was hoping to hear from a dealer who has had experience with this issue.
thanks,Tk

[Dwight]

misfit41

It's my understanding that if it was not registered before May 19TH 1986 you can not get it registered. If you call the ATF you may or may not get the correct answer, dump axx government employees. But if you tell them you know of one, they "will" send agents to confiscate it.

If you live in Ky surely you have heard of Knob Creek Machinegun Shoot in April and Oct of every year. The range is located 14 miles west of Shepherdsville, Ky. They are open all year but have two large (over 30,000 people) shoots a year.

I will contact a friend that is a Class III and Class II dealer. He will know the correct answer to your question.

I let you know what he says.

Dwight
P.S. Does it look like this?

[misfit41]

Originally Posted by Dwight

misfit41

It's my understanding that if it was not registered before May 19TH 1986 you can not get it registered. If you call the ATF you may or may not get the correct answer, dump axx government employees. But if you tell them you know of one, they "will" send agents to confiscate it.

If you live in Ky surely you have heard of Knob Creek Machinegun Shoot in April and Oct of every year. The range is located 14 miles west of Shepherdsville, Ky. They are open all year but have two large (over 30,000 people) shoots a year.

I will contact a friend that is a Class III and Class II dealer. He will know the correct answer to your question.

I let you know what he says.

Dwight
P.S. Does it look like this?

Thanks Dwight,
I am familiar with the range and have been to the shoots,actually I have tried to call one of the guys I know there and been unable to catch him, I live 40 mins away}.
From what I remember the gun is very much like the one pictured but has a stock and bipod {A6},I only looked at it long enough to copy the information from the reciever. I am hoping it's being on the c&r list may help me here , your right about not being able to get a straight answer from any gov. agency.
I will await your results from your friend . Thanks sincerely,Tk

[Dwight]

this is Rob answer to your post.

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Dwight,
If its registered to him no problem. If its not registered its
contraband. If its registered to a deceased family member then it can be
transferred to an heir if there is one. Other wise the executor of the
estate can have it transfered to him.
Rob


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misfit41

If you do not have paper work with a tax stamp from the ATF for the machine gun ( with the gun's serial number) then the gun is contraband and there is no way of making it legal.

In the machine gun world you hear about these guns all the time. Rob has been a Class III and a Class II manufactor for 20 years or so. He knows all the NFA laws.
Dwight

[Ibr8k4vetts]

Try the NRA.

[thudmaster]

Does it look like this one?

[Cobrabill]

[quote=misfit41;,batf has the right to come anytime to see the aformentioned weapon which I really don't have a problem with. [/QUOTE]
No,they do not.Having a class III doesnot alter your rights.

[Don]

Knob Creek Gun Range. mentioned as the " Home of the Nation's Largest Machine Gun Shoot & Military Gun Show " has a Forum:

http://www.machinegunshoot.com/index.html

http://www.machinegunshoot.com/shootinfo.htm