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[VRM]

Originally Posted by Jamo

I tend to agree. California's Republican Party is splitting at the seams over this same scenario. I'm a conservative at heart, but getting someone voted into state-wide office requires a moderate persona given the Democrat popular majority, whether we like it or not.

Jamo, I was a bit surprised at your comments about gay marriage (what they do is their business) on the other thread - and you mentioned something about being conservative enough to mind your own business.
Conservatives these days seem to think that we are best served by intrusions into our lives for 'moral' reasons.
I think most Americans would get on board with a small government, small taxes, strong military, and a 'don't bother me, I won't bother you' (foreign and domestic) platform.
The DNC is not going to run on that platform.

Steve

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by VRM

Jamo, I was a bit surprised at your comments about gay marriage (what they do is their business) on the other thread - and you mentioned something about being conservative enough to mind your own business.
Conservatives these days seem to think that we are best served by intrusions into our lives for 'moral' reasons.
I think most Americans would get on board with a small government, small taxes, strong military, and a 'don't bother me, I won't bother you' (foreign and domestic) platform.
The DNC is not going to run on that platform.

Steve

You're using the Democrat's (CNN's) definition of what a conservative is.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Jamo

You're using the Democrat's (CNN's) definition of what a conservative is.

Jamo,
Actually, I was basing it more on the fine 'Conservative' folks in this forum that I have argued with frequently. These are the same ones who argued in favour of legislative interference in the Terry Shiavo case, poorly planned military adventures, worship of Israel, and restriction of certain groups they find morally offensive.

Todays current crop of 'Conservatives' seem more intent on running around getting in everybody else's business. Maybe you really are an old school Conservative (Paleo, as Freddy D. put it) - I hope so. But I also recall you mentioning that you actively campaigned for G.W. Bush, and he did not turn out to be all that Conservative.

Steve

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Originally Posted by VRM

Jamo,
Actually, I was basing it more on the fine 'Conservative' folks in this forum that I have argued with frequently. These are the same ones who argued in favour of legislative interference in the Terry Shiavo case, poorly planned military adventures, worship of Israel, and restriction of certain groups they find morally offensive.

Todays current crop of 'Conservatives' seem more intent on running around getting in everybody else's business. Maybe you really are an old school Conservative (Paleo, as Freddy D. put it) - I hope so. But I also recall you mentioning that you actively campaigned for G.W. Bush, and he did not turn out to be all that Conservative.

Steve

Conservatives don't want to get into everyone's business, especially gays, they want people to mind they own business (and take responsibility for their own business), especially gays, and not demand more of society, for example marriage for gays. In the end, gays are after 100% acceptance of what they do behind closed doors. That's never going to happen.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by VRM

Jamo,
Actually, I was basing it more on the fine 'Conservative' folks in this forum that I have argued with frequently. These are the same ones who argued in favour of legislative interference in the Terry Shiavo case, poorly planned military adventures, worship of Israel, and restriction of certain groups they find morally offensive.

Todays current crop of 'Conservatives' seem more intent on running around getting in everybody else's business. Maybe you really are an old school Conservative (Paleo, as Freddy D. put it) - I hope so. But I also recall you mentioning that you actively campaigned for G.W. Bush, and he did not turn out to be all that Conservative.

Steve

Look, the true conservatives are the original Rainbow Coalition. They each want to live their own lives and follow their own beliefs without anyone else telling them what to do, how to spend their money or what they have to believe in. Unlike libertarians, which are akin to librarians in that they appreciate a bit of fiction, conservatives believe in their own hands, eyes and ears. For assample, coming from a farming family and having grown up trekking all over the Sierras has resulted in me being a bit of an environmentalist, but not like the wackos that live in urban centers that get close to nature by looking at coffee table books of Adams' pics or wear a t-shirt with a koala bear on it. I believe it ought to be accessible to ranchers, lumber harvesters, backpackers, responsible off-roaders and the wackos, and that we harness the snow runoff for growing crops.

As for how and who someone phuks...hey, I could give a rat's ass (not to be confused with a rat in the ass), and yes, I'm in favor of gay marriage while others aren't...so the phuk what? I'm in favor of it not as a social statement, but because I simply don't think anyone ought to be able to use marriage as a limitation on someone's right to gain or pass on benefits earned...sorta goes against my conservative (non-religious or moral) attitude, despite being an Armenian orthodox christian. Then again, what we do with our sheep is non of your damn business.

On the other hand, I'm still a bit doubtful about women getting to vote and drive...me thinks we ought to revisit that.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Look, the true conservatives are the original Rainbow Coalition. They each want to live their own lives and follow their own beliefs without anyone else telling them what to do, how to spend their money or what they have to believe in. Unlike libertarians, which are akin to librarians in that they appreciate a bit of fiction, conservatives believe in their own hands, eyes and ears. For assample, coming from a farming family and having grown up trekking all over the Sierras has resulted in me being a bit of an environmentalist, but not like the wackos that live in urban centers that get close to nature by looking at coffee table books of Adams' pics or wear a t-shirt with a koala bear on it. I believe it ought to be accessible to ranchers, lumber harvesters, backpackers, responsible off-roaders and the wackos, and that we harness the snow runoff for growing crops.

As for how and who someone phuks...hey, I could give a rat's ass (not to be confused with a rat in the ass), and yes, I'm in favor of gay marriage while others aren't...so the phuk what? I'm in favor of it not as a social statement, but because I simply don't think anyone ought to be able to use marriage as a limitation on someone's right to gain or pass on benefits earned...sorta goes against my conservative (non-religious or moral) attitude, despite being an Armenian orthodox christian. Then again, what we do with our sheep is non of your damn business.

On the other hand, I'm still a bit doubtful about women getting to vote and drive...me thinks we ought to revisit that.

Sounds like you are auditioning to ghost-write for the Meghan McCain blog. Good for you - maybe the GOP will come around a bit more to your way of thinking.
In the meantime I will have to keep voting for the people who have the most planks that I agree with - even if CdC thinks they can't win.

Denise McCluggage and Donna Mae Mims might disagree with you - but they are probably too old to drive now... probably should think about taking away drivers licenses around age 60 anyways.

Steve