ACLU starting trouble in Maricopia

[cavedog57]

Originally Posted by FWB

cavedog, really? you have a problem with somebody ticked off that illegals get the same rights as a citizen?

No, they have every right to their opinion -- even if I consider it ignorant and ill-informed.

What I am concerned about, given the rapidly deteriorating economic situation, is vilifying and demonizing any group of people (on any basis) and denying them equal protection under the law. This is a seriously slippery slope -- one that Germany slid down in the 1920-30s.

If you want freedom, you'd better be prepared to defend that of the most helpless and repugnant among us.

The simple fact is that these illegal aliens, these people, live here. That there are corporations who benefit ($$) from their being here illegally. That the US government has turned a blind eye to illegal immigration for a very long time because of these corporations' political contributions.

[csx4910]

Just because they turn a blind eye doesn't make it right. You are correct that they will continue doing that if there is money to be made but there is a reason it is called "ILLEGAL" immigrant. If people enter illegally, they should be given the chance to become a citizen or be escorted out. If people dont agree with that , then get our lawmakers to make them legal. What good is having a law if they dont enforce it. Illegals either get paid under the table in cash or they fake SSN to get a regualar check. Either way our tax dollars go to help subsidize the govt and the corporations.

I do agree that if people really want to do something about it then we need to fortify our borders and heavily tax and punish the corporations that still employ them. Given the choice of losing thier business or following the law they wont have a choice. While I agree that we are all immigrants here except for the american indians, most of our ancestors came over and immigrated LEGALLY, not sneaking across the border at 2 am hoping they dont get caught!
Ron

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by cavedog57

1)No, they have every right to their opinion -- even if I consider it ignorant and ill-informed.

2)What I am concerned about, given the rapidly deteriorating economic situation, is vilifying and demonizing any group of people (on any basis) and denying them equal protection under the law. This is a seriously slippery slope -- one that Germany slid down in the 1920-30s.

3)If you want freedom, you'd better be prepared to defend that of the most helpless and repugnant among us.

4)The simple fact is that these illegal aliens, these people, live here. That there are corporations who benefit ($$) from their being here illegally. That the US government has turned a blind eye to illegal immigration for a very long time because of these corporations' political contributions.

Back the bus up!

1)Illegal aliens can have their opinion just as soon as WE give it to them.

2)So you are comparing Hitlers vendetta against LEGAL GERMAN CITIZENS to people wanting to get rid of illegal foreign invaders in the U.S.?

3)They are invaders.They are NOT"among" us.

4)And?

[csx4910]

Fsstnotch, Are you referring to my comments or cavedog57 ? Frankly, My head is where it is supposed to be - on top of my neck!
Ron

[fsstnotch]

Originally Posted by csx4910

Fsstnotch, Are you referring to my comments or cavedog57 ? Frankly, My head is where it is supposed to be - on top of my neck!
Ron

No no, not you!

[csx4910]

Thanks!!! I have tired hard to keep my head out of the warm, dark place of my anatomy.

[cavedog57]

Originally Posted by csx4910

Thanks!!! I have tired hard to keep my head out of the warm, dark place of my anatomy.

Great kiss-ass maneuver. Can't afford any appearance or suspicion of disloyalty to the herd.

[cavedog57]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Back the bus up!

1)Illegal aliens can have their opinion just as soon as WE give it to them.

2)So you are comparing Hitlers vendetta against LEGAL GERMAN CITIZENS to people wanting to get rid of illegal foreign invaders in the U.S.?

3)They are invaders.They are NOT"among" us.

4)And?

1) Spoken like a man with respect not only for the first amendment, but human rights as well. Bravo!

2) Yes. Especially considering the worsening economic outlook and rise in popularity of fear-based demagoguery (just two among many factors).

3) They are illegal aliens. They are not invaders. The first is a result of human migration (which may be considered either legal or illegal depending on a number of factors) and the second an armed incursion by the military forces of a foreign power with the object of conquering and subjugating the inhabitants.

And yes, tens of millions of "them" are here among us, pale face.

4) Do you need a diagram drawn in crayon?

[392cobra]

[quote=cavedog57;960817]
3) They are illegal aliens. They are not invaders. The first is a result of human migration (which may be considered either legal or illegal depending on a number of factors)

And yes, tens of millions of "them" are here among us, pale face.

With you being part Blackfoot,it seems that someone along the way would have warned you about drinking.

Reading your posts on this thread sure helps me further appreciate my pale face ancestors running your ancestors out of Texas.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by cavedog57

1) Spoken like a man with respect not only for the first amendment, but human rights as well. Bravo!

2) Yes. Especially considering the worsening economic outlook and rise in popularity of fear-based demagoguery (just two among many factors).

3) They are illegal aliens. They are not invaders. The first is a result of human migration (which may be considered either legal or illegal depending on a number of factors) and the second an armed incursion by the military forces of a foreign power with the object of conquering and subjugating the inhabitants.

And yes, tens of millions of "them" are here among us, pale face.

4) Do you need a diagram drawn in crayon?

Tonto:

1)Cowards hide behind the first amendment when their arguement is weak & liberal(redundant-i know).

2)WTF the does the economy have to do with foreign invaders?
3)THEY ARE INVADERS.They are crossing our borders causing harm to our country.No different than Attila the Hun
4)Only liberals need crayons.

BTW,Tonto-Indians weren't the first ones here in North America.And we really need to play Cowboys & Indians again.This time we'll wipe you completely out.