Who will read the Health Care Bill ??

[4RE KLR]

CDC

Of all the post you have made (that I actually read )
I think that one makes the most sense.

[Bill Bess]

Perhaps the bill should be put on a tape "books on tape" so those Congress Folks could just listen to it while their sitting on the john. They then might realize that they're pushing a very bad thing and acting "Stupidly".

I'm have to admit, I'm enjoying seeing these libs. looking so dishonest, stupid and making all these gaffs. The thing that worries me is when will they get real.

Hell, what do I know....I'm getting older and soon my medical benefits will be phased out due to cost cutting measures by the socialists.


Bill

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Bill Bess

Perhaps the bill should be put on a tape "books on tape" so those Congress Folks could just listen to it while their sitting on the john. They then might realize that they're pushing a very bad thing and acting "Stupidly".

I'm have to admit, I'm enjoying seeing these libs. looking so dishonest, stupid and making all these gaffs. The thing that worries me is when will they get real.

Hell, what do I know....I'm getting older and soon my medical benefits will be phased out due to cost cutting measures by the socialists.


Bill

They just need to look in the john after they've done their "business" and they will see exactly what the bill looks like!

[HI Cobra]

The bill is not about health - it is about government control.

[4RE KLR]

Originally Posted by HI Cobra

The bill is not about health - it is about government control.

Exactly.....

[427sharpe]

Here is a good snapshot from the Wall Street Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB2000...720472842.html

I wonder if the obliging masses will open their eyes before it's too late?

[4RE KLR]

Man that is some scary reading.

I think small business will become a thing of the past.

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by 4RE KLR

Man that is some scary reading.

I think small business will become a thing of the past.

Back to your original question......

Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill--Unless They Have 2 Lawyers to Interpret It for Them Monday, July 27, 2009 By Nicholas Ballasy, Video Reporter

(CNSNews.com) - During his speech at a National Press Club luncheon, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Democratic Congressman John Conyers (D-Mich.), questioned the point of lawmakers reading the health care bill.

“I love these members, they get up and say, ‘Read the bill,’” said Conyers.

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”


http://www.cnsnews.com/public/conten...x?RsrcID=51610

It's hard to believe that Conyers said this, but he did.

It is malfeasance and a breach of fiduciary duty to not read the bill.

Cuff ‘em, and run ‘em outta the building. Tar and feather ‘em and THROW THE BUMS OUT. The arses think they can spend our trillions - GRRRRRR - and yet they don't have to read and interpret the bills they're passing. That is the height of arrogance and malfeasance. No other profession or industry could stand up to such insanity. Arthur Andersen had it's Enron. Lehman Brothers had its subprime mortgage toxic derivative assets. Napoleon had his Waterloo...

The dim bulbs and bammy, have theirs coming too...arrogance and conceit have their limits.

On the other hand, Geez are we screwed for now.

[bomelia]

I am writing my representative and INSISTING he read the entire bill and report back with major section synopsis.

I hope you will all do the same.

Mike

My email: Congressman Griffith, I am deeply concerned about the "health care reform" bill. Its too expensive. And I do not support (or want) government run health care. I agree there are problems. But socialism is NOT the answer. Before you vote on this bill, I must insist that you read all 2000+ pages of the bill and report back to your constituents what is in the bill and that you KNOW what you are voting on. Every last section of the bill. My guess is you will toe the Obama line and vote for this terrible bill. But I am hoping that real common sense will prevail and that you will do the right thing and vote no. Perhaps your "yes" vote is not needed, like in the "cap & trade" bill. Maybe this will be a bill you can vote no on and look good in your district. But I doubt it. I suspect you will be forced to vote for it. Please send a comprehensive report detailing your reading of the entire bill to us in your district. Mike

[bomelia]

I answered the survey on Parker Griffiths website. 24% want health care reform and 76% do not want it. Wanna guess which way he will vote?

If he can vote no to look good, he will. He got elected in a special election and faces a real run for office next year. But if the vote is close, he will toe the Obama line. Regardless of what his district wants.

Mike

[4RE KLR]

Thanks Mike

I wish everyone in America would send the same letter to their representatives.

Yes, we do need to reform health care. It is a total wreck.
But does anyone want a government worker dictating your medical treatment. I sure as hell don't.

I wish there was a way we could FORCE them to read it "twice" before they signed it.
If they did, they would need medical assistance themselves.





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[cobra de capell]

Yes, we do need to reform health care. It is a total wreck.

It really isn't a total wreck. It simply needs tweaking - a difficult task, yes but doable as long as those that are doing it don't have their own agenda, one that doesn't serve all Americans.

[cobra bill]

As long as we have to pay for all those that don't have insurance, and using emergency room healthcare, we will have double digit inflation on what we pay, and without a government run option they will always be un-insured, and you will always pay too much of your insurance dollars toward covering them.

[Ron61]

Bill,

without a government run option they will always be un-insured,

I don't entirely agree with that. I have no insurance and I don't want to be forced to pay for what I don't want. You nor anyone else pays for my medical bills. I pay them out of my savings. I don't want the Govt. to start telling me I have to buy this or that and dictating what I can or can't do. I see this whole mess as nothing more than another power grab by the Messiah.

Ron

[cobra bill]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Bill,

without a government run option they will always be un-insured,

I don't entirely agree with that. I have no insurance and I don't want to be forced to pay for what I don't want. You nor anyone else pays for my medical bills. I pay them out of my savings. I don't want the Govt. to start telling me I have to buy this or that and dictating what I can or can't do. I see this whole mess as nothing more than another power grab by the Messiah.

Ron

Well this mess has been around for a long time it's been 60 years since it was first brought up in congress, so it's been researched for long enough, I don't see how it's a power grab, it's more of trying to control cost, as it is, its spiraling out of control, I have the utmost respect for what you are doing Ron, but you are one of the few, those that are letting us pay for their care are the ones causing the double digit inflation, I say give them a basic government run healthcare and if they want to buy better they are more than welcome to join the rest of us. I have to pay in my property tax for the fire department as well as the police, and education, these things would be outrageous to pay for, if they were for profit corporations, I sent my kids to private school, I still had to pay for everyone else's kids to go, but that was part of the deal I knew going in if I wanted better for mine I would have to pay for it.

[Ron61]

Bill,

Not to argue, but I just don't see why anyone should be forced to buy anything by our Govt., I don't care who is President. I know it has been researched and billions wasted as usual on the research. If I choose to get along the way I do, it does not cost any tax payer a penny. And I pay extra for the schools which is added to my property taxes and I don't have any kids nor have I ever. And like all of you, I pay for the fire and police protection.
I really don't know what the fix could be, but this Govt. mandated stuff or we will fine you isn't it. That will certainly help people who can't afford to pay anything, by taking away what little they have. If you and the rest are happy with this, then why not give those of us who want nothing to do with it the option of not taking it?

Ron

[bomelia]

Why won't you guys take a little time to email your congressman?

Nothing here being solved by this debate.

BTW, have you all thought about what is NEXT after this? What else will the clamoring children be begging uncle sam to pay for? Housing? Food? Cars? Energy?

I think it will be energy. Or perhaps housing. Everybody has a right to a roof over their head, right? Yup. Its gonna be housing. I think cap & trade will be used to provide all the "have nots" with energy.

[cobra bill]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Bill,

Not to argue, but I just don't see why anyone should be forced to buy anything by our Govt., I don't care who is President. I know it has been researched and billions wasted as usual on the research. If I choose to get along the way I do, it does not cost any tax payer a penny. And I pay extra for the schools which is added to my property taxes and I don't have any kids nor have I ever. And like all of you, I pay for the fire and police protection.
I really don't know what the fix could be, but this Govt. mandated stuff or we will fine you isn't it. That will certainly help people who can't afford to pay anything, by taking away what little they have. If you and the rest are happy with this, then why not give those of us who want nothing to do with it the option of not taking it?

Ron

Ron,
I have no argument with your premise, no one should be forced to buy into something they either don't want or can't afford, what we need is a safety net for those who wish to not buy in for whatever reason, and get what is now a way too expensive a system off our backs, I understand what you are saying, you are paying for yourself and not taking help from the tax payers, but there are some things, such as healthcare that if we do not get a handle on the price now, there will be no hope of ever getting the debt under control. I know the way it looks now, how could they ever get it under control, a lot of the banks have re-paid their loans, but the 2 wars and the cost of starting up Homeland security and many other things were never put on the budget, as it is now, along with the stimulus package it all looks overwhelming, and whether you agree or disagree the tarp and stimulus were necessary, the only way to possibly get a handle on it, is to get to spiraling cost of healthcare under control, what we have now will never do that, it will only get worse! So we either do nothing as the Republican party would like, but remember they have an agenda, they want this administration to fail, no matter what the cost to our nation.

[cobra de capell]

To solve anything we need to put aside all of the political rhetoric and begin with a real assessment and problem statement.
1) We do not have a health-care problem, we have the best health-care in the world.

2)We do not have an access or availability problem, no one is denied health-care in the US.

3) We have a financial issue with respect to the financial consequences of catastrophic health incidents. This can easily be solved by establishing a catastrophic insurance requirement and letting the private sector compete for the policies much like auto insurance.

[Ron61]

Ray,

You are correct, but what I object to is the forcing people to buy any medical insurance. This, catastrophic insurance requirement, would be much like the Bad Risk Automobile Insurance and cost so much that only millionaires could afford it, therefore it should be a persons option to either pay for insurance or not have it. The more the Govt. forces people to buy or do anything the more freedom we lose. This isn't like automobile Insurance where I can chose to not register my car and park it. I guess I am just opposed to the Govt. telling me I have to buy this or that and I have no choice or they will fine me. Just my opinion and I am sure that I am in the minority here, but what about those that really can't afford to pay. If they fine them, then they will be even worse off. And since Obama claims most of the expenses are ran up by Seniors, why not just tweak a few things. Most of them can't afford to pay for anything, let alone what insurance would cost. I am only speaking for myself, but I prefer by far the set up I have and I have a No extraordinary means to revive me and no hooking me to a machine Power Of Attorney that lets a friend of mine have complete power over my medical if I become incapacitated.

Ron