Obamacare Meltdown

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

I'm thinking that the 60,000 is the tip of the iceburg - seniors tend to talk about this stuff, regularly and it's they are very unhappy campers at this point.

I can just see their red faces with the veins pulsing....I also suspect they get their information from Faux News and talk radio...I also suspect they will continue to take advantage of the AARP Lobby....now if they would tear up their Social Security and Medicare Cards and refuse to recieve the benefits, I would really be impressed. The thing that really pisses me off about our "system" is that I have to pay for the freaking fat people...the smokers...the drunks and the dopers... I don't mind paying for kids even illegal ones....

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

I can just see their red faces with the veins pulsing....I also suspect they get their information from Faux News and talk radio...I also suspect they will continue to take advantage of the AARP Lobby....now if they would tear up their Social Security and Medicare Cards and refuse to recieve the benefits, I would really be impressed. The thing that really pisses me off about our "system" is that I have to pay for the freaking fat people...the smokers...the drunks and the dopers... I don't mind paying for kids even illegal ones....

Do you forget that people PAID into Soc. Sec. all their lives by law. And they have paid into Medicare since 65, again by law.
The SS and Medicare cards AND the funds that are 'supposed' to be behind those programs, BELONG to the people that paid into them.

You are willing to pay for an ILLEGAL freeloader, but want American Citizens to tear up cards they have EARNED and PAID into for years.

Is that the essence of lobotomized liberal logic or what?

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by Dan40

Is that the essence of lobotomized liberal logic or what?

No...that's his opinion.

...and it is no better or worse than your opinion.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by computerworks

No...that's his opinion.

...and it is no better or worse than your opinion.

Pay for parasites but steal from those that PAID THE BILLS FOR YEARS?

That is an opinion?

It is also insane, illogic, and un-American. And that is a FACT, not an opinion!

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by Dan40

That is an opinion?

Why, yes...it is. Good work.

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by Dan40

Do you forget that people PAID into Soc. Sec. all their lives by law. And they have paid into Medicare since 65, again by law.
The SS and Medicare cards AND the funds that are 'supposed' to be behind those programs, BELONG to the people that paid into them.

You are willing to pay for an ILLEGAL freeloader, but want American Citizens to tear up cards they have EARNED and PAID into for years.

Is that the essence of lobotomized liberal logic or what?

But the alliteration was really cool.....

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

They pay a fraction of what they collect..



But the alliteration was really cool.....

The lobotomy was more than frontal, or do you have a retirement plan where you HOPE to realize a loss. An intentionally MINUS 401K, a new and completely uninteresting concept. liberals,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

And it is a fraction, as is 99/100 is a fraction.

A worker and their employer pays in over FIFTEEN PERCENT of each paycheck, over 7% each, just for Social Security [FICA]. This could go on and on for over 50 years and you suggest they throw it away. Utter nonsense. If you want YOUR FICA and Medicare taxes to go to non-contributing illegals, by all means, write to Washington and turn your money over to the worthless parasites. But do NOT even think about touching a cent of an actual working producer's money.

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

I can just see their red faces with the veins pulsing....I also suspect they get their information from Faux News and talk radio...I also suspect they will continue to take advantage of the AARP Lobby....now if they would tear up their Social Security and Medicare Cards and refuse to recieve the benefits, I would really be impressed. The thing that really pisses me off about our "system" is that I have to pay for the freaking fat people...the smokers...the drunks and the dopers... I don't mind paying for kids even illegal ones....

So, what's 'Faux' about Fox News? You would do well to listen up - Fox is providing a fair and balanced view 24/7. Seniors are listening to Fox and talk radio with the points being made coming right from pending bills.

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

So, what's 'Faux' about Fox News? You would do well to listen up - Fox is providing a fair and balanced view 24/7. Seniors are listening to Fox and talk radio with the points being made coming right from pending bills.

And Sara Palin is going to be the leader of the Free World....

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

And Sara Palin is going to be the leader of the Free World....

Well, if you liberals can elect someone like Obama with even less experience, anything can happen.

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

I can just see their red faces with the veins pulsing....I also suspect they get their information from Faux News and talk radio...I also suspect they will continue to take advantage of the AARP Lobby....now if they would tear up their Social Security and Medicare Cards and refuse to receive the benefits, I would really be impressed. The thing that really pisses me off about our "system" is that I have to pay for the freaking fat people...the smokers...the drunks and the dopers... I don't mind paying for kids even illegal ones....

It stilling takes reasoning to form an opinion, and to think people who have not paid into the program is more deserving than those who have paid their entire life is at best bassackwards.
And why stop at fat people,smokers,drunks and dopers? How about teens they are proportionately in more car accidents, then their is the evil motorcyclist, 90% sexually transmitted AIDS is male homosexuals, single parent homes produce more crime, poverty, very draining on our economy, and the elderly, a great deal is spent in the last couple years of life, whack those years off and save a bundle.

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by RAZOR

It stilling takes reasoning to form an opinion, and to think people who have not paid into the program is more deserving than those who have paid their entire life is at best bassackwards.
And why stop at fat people,smokers,drunks and dopers? How about teens they are proportionately in more car accidents, then their is the evil motorcyclist, 90% sexually transmitted AIDS is male homosexuals, single parent homes produce more crime, poverty, very draining on our economy, and the elderly, a great deal is spent in the last couple years of life, whack those years off and save a bundle.

I think you may have something to build off here....and I believe the various insurance companies and financial instutions take those factors into account....but you have to start somewhere to hold people accountable for their bad choices and I would start with the fat people....I see kids (0-16) as victims and investments... assuming the cost of keeping them healthy is cheaper...and besides it is what Jesus would do !!!

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

I think you may have something to build off here....and I believe the various insurance companies and financial instutions take those factors into account....but you have to start somewhere to hold people accountable for their bad choices and I would start with the fat people....I see kids (0-16) as victims and investments... assuming the cost of keeping them healthy is cheaper...and besides it is what Jesus would do !!!

Liberals seem to see everyone as a victim. Thats what Marx would do

[Joe Wicked]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

I think you may have something to build off here....and I believe the various insurance companies and financial instutions take those factors into account....but you have to start somewhere to hold people accountable for their bad choices and I would start with the fat people....I see kids (0-16) as victims and investments... assuming the cost of keeping them healthy is cheaper...and besides it is what Jesus would do !!!

OK I have tried to stay out of this, but statements like this bother the hell out of me. My wife was always in shape and always played sports. In her mid 30s her thyroid quit and she put on a lot of weight really fast. Now she is on medication for her thyroid but no matter what can't loose much weight. She is one of the fat people you describe and it was not by a poor lifestyle choice. It is a medical condition. People with Diabetes (such as myself) taking insulin have had insulins that cause weight gain, so before you just judge fat people, consider the medical help they seek may just be to treat the DISEASE that caused the weight gain in the first place.

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by Joe Wicked

OK I have tried to stay out of this, but statements like this bother the hell out of me. My wife was always in shape and always played sports. In her mid 30s her thyroid quit and she put on a lot of weight really fast. Now she is on medication for her thyroid but no matter what can't loose much weight. She is one of the fat people you describe and it was not by a poor lifestyle choice. It is a medical condition. People with Diabetes (such as myself) taking insulin have had insulins that cause weight gain, so before you just judge fat people, consider the medical help they seek may just be to treat the DISEASE that caused the weight gain in the first place.

You know damn well I was talking about the people that eat too much of the wrong stuff and don't exercise...BUT .. you are right about the well know fault of generalities...so...if you are offended, I am sorry..

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by Joe Wicked

OK I have tried to stay out of this, but statements like this bother the hell out of me. My wife was always in shape and always played sports. In her mid 30s her thyroid quit and she put on a lot of weight really fast. Now she is on medication for her thyroid but no matter what can't loose much weight. She is one of the fat people you describe and it was not by a poor lifestyle choice. It is a medical condition. People with Diabetes (such as myself) taking insulin have had insulins that cause weight gain, so before you just judge fat people, consider the medical help they seek may just be to treat the DISEASE that caused the weight gain in the first place.

My wife also has experienced the same health problems as your, plus a some other health issues and medicine that keep adding fuel to the fire.
The real problem here is the underlying thought that the left has taken as their banner. That is that health is part of their value system, and society should be controlled, by government, i.e. tax on soft drinks, and sugar, also that control on smoking. I do not smoke and think its a dumb decision to ever start and I am not campaigning against good health.What I am against is thought that we will control your health with the government, that it has a responsibility to make sure we are healthier. The left now will say they are being penalized by the life style of others and are having to pay for their bad decisions, when its always been that way. We pay more in most stores because of theft by customers and employees.We pay more because of uninsured motorist, etc. etc. The liberal solution is to legislate and tax those they perceive as the offenders.
And be sure it will be part of any government involvement in health care.