Obamacare Meltdown

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by RAZOR

It stilling takes reasoning to form an opinion, and to think people who have not paid into the program is more deserving than those who have paid their entire life is at best bassackwards.
And why stop at fat people,smokers,drunks and dopers? How about teens they are proportionately in more car accidents, then their is the evil motorcyclist, 90% sexually transmitted AIDS is male homosexuals, single parent homes produce more crime, poverty, very draining on our economy, and the elderly, a great deal is spent in the last couple years of life, whack those years off and save a bundle.

I think you may have something to build off here....and I believe the various insurance companies and financial instutions take those factors into account....but you have to start somewhere to hold people accountable for their bad choices and I would start with the fat people....I see kids (0-16) as victims and investments... assuming the cost of keeping them healthy is cheaper...and besides it is what Jesus would do !!!

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

I think you may have something to build off here....and I believe the various insurance companies and financial instutions take those factors into account....but you have to start somewhere to hold people accountable for their bad choices and I would start with the fat people....I see kids (0-16) as victims and investments... assuming the cost of keeping them healthy is cheaper...and besides it is what Jesus would do !!!

Liberals seem to see everyone as a victim. Thats what Marx would do

[Joe Wicked]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

I think you may have something to build off here....and I believe the various insurance companies and financial instutions take those factors into account....but you have to start somewhere to hold people accountable for their bad choices and I would start with the fat people....I see kids (0-16) as victims and investments... assuming the cost of keeping them healthy is cheaper...and besides it is what Jesus would do !!!

OK I have tried to stay out of this, but statements like this bother the hell out of me. My wife was always in shape and always played sports. In her mid 30s her thyroid quit and she put on a lot of weight really fast. Now she is on medication for her thyroid but no matter what can't loose much weight. She is one of the fat people you describe and it was not by a poor lifestyle choice. It is a medical condition. People with Diabetes (such as myself) taking insulin have had insulins that cause weight gain, so before you just judge fat people, consider the medical help they seek may just be to treat the DISEASE that caused the weight gain in the first place.

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by Joe Wicked

OK I have tried to stay out of this, but statements like this bother the hell out of me. My wife was always in shape and always played sports. In her mid 30s her thyroid quit and she put on a lot of weight really fast. Now she is on medication for her thyroid but no matter what can't loose much weight. She is one of the fat people you describe and it was not by a poor lifestyle choice. It is a medical condition. People with Diabetes (such as myself) taking insulin have had insulins that cause weight gain, so before you just judge fat people, consider the medical help they seek may just be to treat the DISEASE that caused the weight gain in the first place.

You know damn well I was talking about the people that eat too much of the wrong stuff and don't exercise...BUT .. you are right about the well know fault of generalities...so...if you are offended, I am sorry..

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by Joe Wicked

OK I have tried to stay out of this, but statements like this bother the hell out of me. My wife was always in shape and always played sports. In her mid 30s her thyroid quit and she put on a lot of weight really fast. Now she is on medication for her thyroid but no matter what can't loose much weight. She is one of the fat people you describe and it was not by a poor lifestyle choice. It is a medical condition. People with Diabetes (such as myself) taking insulin have had insulins that cause weight gain, so before you just judge fat people, consider the medical help they seek may just be to treat the DISEASE that caused the weight gain in the first place.

My wife also has experienced the same health problems as your, plus a some other health issues and medicine that keep adding fuel to the fire.
The real problem here is the underlying thought that the left has taken as their banner. That is that health is part of their value system, and society should be controlled, by government, i.e. tax on soft drinks, and sugar, also that control on smoking. I do not smoke and think its a dumb decision to ever start and I am not campaigning against good health.What I am against is thought that we will control your health with the government, that it has a responsibility to make sure we are healthier. The left now will say they are being penalized by the life style of others and are having to pay for their bad decisions, when its always been that way. We pay more in most stores because of theft by customers and employees.We pay more because of uninsured motorist, etc. etc. The liberal solution is to legislate and tax those they perceive as the offenders.
And be sure it will be part of any government involvement in health care.