What a SURPRISE!

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

I did not say WHO should care for the Micronesians. If you don't think the Federal Government should, well OK then, your opinion is noted. I don't think Hawaii should, that's my opinion. Maybe we can get the Red Cross to fund it? Or, what the hell, let them die, there not US citizens anyway. Whatever your opinion is, you WILL make a bioethicist decision on it.

It's not my decision to make who will take care of, pay for the micronesians, but I find it intereseting that the US GOVERNMENT ALREADY MADE A COMMITMENT TO TAKE CARE OF THEM, LIKE THE COMMITMENT OBAMA IS MAKING TO US, TO TAKE CARE OF US, YET THEY'RE ULTIMATELY NOT TAKING CARE OF THE MICRONESIANS OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF MONEY. IS THIS WHAT WE SHOULD BE EXPECTING AS WELL IF THE GOV TAKES OVER HEALTH CARE?

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Under our current plan we have ALL READY made that call. Those who can afford it, get it, those who can't, won't. If you need a liver transplant and don't have the money, your not likely to get it on "in time" to save your life. That kind of decision, is based on economics, lifestyle, citizenship and a number of other factors. Life and death decisions like this NEED to be challenged from time to time, checks and balances you see.

Ahhhh, transplantation, one of my favorite subjects. I trained in the transplant capital in the world. Guess where? Anyways I participated in many transplants, I say participated because it takes a team of multiple doctors, nurses, and technicians to perform these services. I have been involved in many transplants, kidneys, hearts, lungs, and my personal favorite, livers. Without going into grusome detail, I can tell you that yes, there were some people thatseemed to jump in line for transplants due to money, fame, or both. However, most of the transplants were given to "normal" people, some with insurance and others without. I dare not say more. I was never involved in the decision making of who was the next candidate, nor did I want to be. Oh, the stories I could tell.


Reminds me of a previous thread about the Canadian system, where they tend not to do as many transplants due to inefficiency of the organ procurement. Well, that's a cost saving for the system, at the expense of people's lives.