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Old 10-14-2014, 04:32 PM
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Was the scoop welded to the body or was it riveted on?
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Old 10-14-2014, 04:58 PM
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I thinkk it was part of the formed body on the aluminum cars.
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Thanks. My body doesn't have an oil cooler opening. Guess I'll contact Bruce and see if he can make one for me to glass in.
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It is a scarey project. When I did mine I was so afraid I was going to go to a point of no return while cutting out the existing panel. Once I realized the curves were consistant I was relieved and had more confidence in "Cutting up the body". Feather & "V" out the joining edges, use matting on the back and "Tiger or Kitty Hair" on the exposed "V". Use C clamps and strips of wood to keep the piece in place and surfaces even. Fiberglass pieces are very forgiving, but it is still scarey, especially if the car is already painted as mine was at the time. When completed if you can even have someone competent in aluminum sheetmetal work, line it with a formed piece.
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hi Bill , early in it's life ******* had a rivit on scoop, that's what your car gets, there's one in one of the boxes of parts that are coming, along with the brake scoops,b
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Old 10-14-2014, 05:18 PM
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originals were alloy grafted...........
Different variations exist......... DIFFERENT VARIATIONS EXIST....................

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Was the scoop welded to the body or was it riveted on?
The 289 oil cooler scoops on most FIA replicas are wrong. They are based on a rebodied FIA car done by Brian Angliss who preferred the look of the 427 oil cooler scoop when he rebodied the car during a restoration. Examples of incorrect FIA oil cooler scoops are found on ERA and Shelby American (both fiberglass and aluminum bodies).

Of the original FIA cars apparently the only 1 that has NOT been rebodied is CSX2345. And CSX2345 is NOT the car that any of the FIA replica bodies have been copied from.

These are examples of what I thought were correct 289 oil cooler scoops.

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However, David Kirkham had a discussion with Peter Brock who said something like the FIA oil cooler scoops were done at Shelby (not AC) on the original cars simply and apparently not to fancily by making a cut and pulling the metal down. So when I mentioned the above pictures to David, he thought that those oil cooler scoops may have been made pretty during restorations to the above cars and may not be original.

If you go to the Kirkham website, you can see what David thinks is correct.

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David also pointed out that when he supplies FIA aluminum bodies/frames to Shelby American that he supplies the incorrect oil cooler scoop per specification by Shelby.

Although the oil cooler scoops currently on CSX2345 or CSX2431 may not be correct, I prefer their look.
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Thanks 1ntCobra and everyone else who has provided info. I really appreciate it

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Every one of the oil cooler openings on roadsters raced in Europe in 1964 was different. To get an idea of how much watch the 'Hey Little Cobra' video posted on YouTube®. Each car was maintained by a group of mechanics and every group cut and formed what they wanted. Exact details as well and width and height differed a lot. Racers making something that worked didn't have mass production standardization.
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Every one of the oil cooler openings on roadsters raced in Europe in 1964 was different. To get an idea of how much watch the 'Hey Little Cobra' video posted on YouTube®. Each car was maintained by a group of mechanics and every group cut and formed what they wanted. Exact details as well and width and height differed a lot. Racers making something that worked didn't have mass production standardization.
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You can always just put two rows of holes under the nose, like CSX2011.

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That's the video.

Allow me to point out that not every Cobra SAI fitted with an oil cooler heat exchanger in front of the coolant radiator got any type of extra front fascia modification to increase the area open for air flow. Based on 1964-65 images I would say that most did not.
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As far as FIA 289 Cobra roadsters go:

2259 & 226O both had formed sheet metal scoops riveted to the body work. The shape of the scoop sheet metal was more angular.

The other FIA and late USRRC roadsters had formed scoops that were formed by the crew of the individual car as Dan has stated above. Most of the scoops were formed by cutting and splitting the bodywork and shaping the existing metal till it was as desired by the individual performing the modification, hence they are all a little different.

Both the early riveted on scoop and the later formed scoops had a thin leading edge appearance, nothing like the shaped scoops found on 427 cars.
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Looks like you can just take a jigsaw to the body & it'll be pretty damn close....
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Bruce wasn't that car redone by these pics, no?
2345 is the best example short of vintage pics.

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nope, that picture in the link was from when Vic F. owned it, 1969 or 70
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This is not a car set up for FIA races but it was the only one I saw on The Henry Ford site that posts the original factory images with an oil cooler scoop on a race Cobra. There are several 427 Cobra scoop images in the collection. The spherical bearing on the front stabilizer bar end link and the stainless steel oil cooler hose covers makes me think this is an early image of CSX2431.

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