Club Cobra Keith Craft Motorsports  

Go Back   Club Cobra > Cobra Talk Areas > Originality Forum

Welcome to Club Cobra!  The World's largest non biased Shelby Cobra related site!

  •  » Representation from nearly all Cobra/Daytona/GT40 manufacturers
  •  » Help from all over the world for your questions
  •  » Build logs for you and all members
  •  » Blogs
  •  » Image Gallery
  •  » Many thousands of members and nearly 1 million posts! 

YES! I want to register an account for free right now!  p.s.: For registered members this ad will NOT show

MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
Main Menu
Module Jump:
Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
Advertise at CC
Banner Ad Rates
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
June 2017
S M T W T F S
        1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30  

Kirkham Motorsports

Like Tree26Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2017, 09:50 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 31
Not Ranked     
Default

Dan,


Would this type of Autolite stamp be correct for a later build date? I'm assuming Autolite changed the format of its stamp with the wholesale change from generators to alternators in mid-1964. This stamp is consistent with every original alternator I've seen on a post-August 64 small block Ford.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Sponsored Links
  #22 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2017, 09:55 AM
Senile Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Buffalo, NY USA, NY
Cobra Make, Engine: Time Machines Motorsports LLC- Superformance Dealer
Posts: 3,636
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LMH View Post
You're not going to make the C3SF stamp, are you?
I have one if you are.
Larry
Well I was gonna but I would use yours!

I also have just confirmed production of the plug and harness assemblies. These will be as original style plugs with the terminals and molded back seal. The wires will be 14" to allow them to be mated into existing harnesses and will carry the original color codes.

I will announce pricing as soon as we have all the costs added up.
jolsen42 and 1795 like this.
__________________
"I'm high all right, but on the real thing....powerful gasoline and a clean windshield..."

http://www.timemachinesauto.com/
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2017, 10:11 AM
LMH's Avatar
LMH LMH is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Tucson, az
Cobra Make, Engine: Hurricane. 351W something. More on that later!
Posts: 4,523
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark IV View Post
Well I was gonna but I would use yours!

I also have just confirmed production of the plug and harness assemblies. These will be as original style plugs with the terminals and molded back seal. The wires will be 14" to allow them to be mated into existing harnesses and will carry the original color codes.

I will announce pricing as soon as we have all the costs added up.
Yes, you can use it but it wouldn't be correct for the Cobra. I thought it was but I misunderstood a photo Dan sent me a couple years ago. The correct part number should be C3MF-10300-A.
If you're restoring a Thunderbird though, my stamp is perfect!;-)
Larry
__________________
Alba gu brāth
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2017, 11:53 AM
Dan Case's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
Original Shelby Owner


 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 574
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivygreen65 View Post
Dan,
Would this type of Autolite stamp be correct for a later build date? I'm assuming Autolite changed the format of its stamp with the wholesale change from generators to alternators in mid-1964. This stamp is consistent with every original alternator I've seen on a post-August 64 small block Ford.
The change in the parts division identification was a branding change and not a parts design change. Cobras were loaded with FoMoCoŽ branded parts. Some used AUTO-LITEŽ brand 12V batteries followed by AUTOLITEŽ 12 batteries. They used three rib AUTOLITE BF32 spark plugs. Ford purchased Auto-Lite in 1962 and slowly over several years changed the art and text of production packaging. At first they just added notations to earlier packages that the products were made by Ford.

The original post and my replies related to 1964-65 CSX2201 and later Cobra alternators used to build the cars new. As I indicated in the original posting commentary, I would not believe anything not a FoMoCoŽ C3MF-10300-A marked unit to have been something Shelby American built a new Cobra with if that is your question.
__________________
Dan Case
1964 Cobra owner since 1983, Cobra crazy since I saw my first one in the mid 1960s in Huntsville, AL.
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2017, 12:53 PM
Dan Case's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
Original Shelby Owner


 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 574
Not Ranked     
Default

Alternator plug on my black car.

LMH likes this.
__________________
Dan Case
1964 Cobra owner since 1983, Cobra crazy since I saw my first one in the mid 1960s in Huntsville, AL.
Reply With Quote
  #26 (permalink)  
Old 02-27-2017, 10:54 PM
LMH's Avatar
LMH LMH is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Tucson, az
Cobra Make, Engine: Hurricane. 351W something. More on that later!
Posts: 4,523
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivygreen65 View Post
Dan,


Would this type of Autolite stamp be correct for a later build date? I'm assuming Autolite changed the format of its stamp with the wholesale change from generators to alternators in mid-1964. This stamp is consistent with every original alternator I've seen on a post-August 64 small block Ford.
Should look like this:


Larry
__________________
Alba gu brāth
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2017, 06:31 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 31
Not Ranked     
Default

Thanks, Larry. I have seen that style of ink stamp, with the FoMoCo inside both the block and oval. However, I had only seen the later style AUTOLITE ink stamp once on that particularly cased alternator, and it was for the C3SF part number.
Reply With Quote
  #28 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2017, 06:56 AM
LMH's Avatar
LMH LMH is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Tucson, az
Cobra Make, Engine: Hurricane. 351W something. More on that later!
Posts: 4,523
Not Ranked     
Default

Yeah, I've seen that one too. More common as it's a Thunderbird number but the Cobras used a C3MF unit. Hard part to find is the pulley!
Larry
__________________
Alba gu brāth
Reply With Quote
  #29 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2017, 01:10 PM
CompClassics's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Carlsbad, Ca
Cobra Make, Engine: SAI FIA, 289HP (5-bolt), 48IDA Webers
Posts: 607
Not Ranked     
Default

Dan,

You have not addressed the housing casting differences, diecast or rough finished?
Reply With Quote
  #30 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2017, 01:46 PM
Dan Case's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
Original Shelby Owner


 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 574
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Case View Post
CSX2201 later 12V charging system.
The aluminum case shells or housings were produced in permanent die casting molds. Appearance wise, Cobra production alternator assemblies had exterior case shell surfaces right out of molds. Any other case shell exterior surface condition, steel shot or some other hard media blasted, tumbled with abrasive media, strong chemical etching, or combinations of any exterior condition (for example let’s say front case as cast and rear case shot blasted) are indicative of typical service parts. Many of the brand new 1963 model year alternator assemblies I have held in my hands came out of boxes from one of the Ford authorized remanufacturers. The implication is that the Ford authorized remanufacturers had stocks of individual parts and they assembled whatever they needed to fill an order from Ford. Different rebuilders often used different case rework procedures and new small parts that may or may not have been like originals to make up complete assemblies. Once the as die cast exterior is changed it can't be reworked to look day one again, not 100%.
It was in the big commentary. I started paying attention when I serious started trying to find an unrestored significantly unmodified car to buy. That was circa 1977. Most Cobras were unrestored at the time and going to a SAAC convention 1978 -1988 could provide you with more unrestored cars to look at than you could remember. I kept a flip note book and took 35 mm pictures and made notes specific cars for years for all kinds of original parts in the engine bays. On really nice significantly unmolested cars there was either a completely smooth set of cases or some other type alternator altogether. At a SAAC regional event circa late 1970s I came across a CSX25xx street car that had been raced with a genuine 1966 GT40 alternator on it!

Production wise I have logged two different front cases, early castings without screw boss gussets and later (most) castings with.
__________________
Dan Case
1964 Cobra owner since 1983, Cobra crazy since I saw my first one in the mid 1960s in Huntsville, AL.
Reply With Quote
  #31 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2017, 08:58 PM
CompClassics's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Carlsbad, Ca
Cobra Make, Engine: SAI FIA, 289HP (5-bolt), 48IDA Webers
Posts: 607
Not Ranked     
Default

I would assume FoMoCo as there is no reference to Autolite in the specifications.
Reply With Quote
  #32 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2017, 09:01 AM
Senile Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Buffalo, NY USA, NY
Cobra Make, Engine: Time Machines Motorsports LLC- Superformance Dealer
Posts: 3,636
Not Ranked     
Default

Well they have arrived! The first batch are being packed and shipped to the orders received so far.

These came out very nice and have 16" of wire to allow ease of integration to an existing harness. They have the molded rubber seal as original and the correct wire I.D. stripes.

Working on a new supply of the alternators and possibly a repro of the correct pulley/fan unit!
Attached Images
    
CompClassics likes this.
__________________
"I'm high all right, but on the real thing....powerful gasoline and a clean windshield..."

http://www.timemachinesauto.com/
Reply With Quote
  #33 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2017, 10:07 AM
LMH's Avatar
LMH LMH is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Tucson, az
Cobra Make, Engine: Hurricane. 351W something. More on that later!
Posts: 4,523
Not Ranked     
Default

Petty cool!
I bought the last original DST alternator fan/pulley from old unsold stock. There aren't any more originals, so a repo might be a good idea.
Larry
__________________
Alba gu brāth
Reply With Quote
  #34 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2017, 10:09 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Seattle, Wa
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 3012 ordered
Posts: 39
Not Ranked     
Default

They look great!

Quote:
Working on a new supply of the alternators and possibly a repro of the correct pulley/fan unit!
You would pretty much be my hero. I was resigned to the fact I was going to have to run the smaller pulley version, so I would certainly be in if you were able to repro the fan/pulley setup. I'm getting ready to refurb these guys here soon.


BTW: Notice how the one on the right has a rounded case? Any ideas where that came from?
Reply With Quote
  #35 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2017, 10:38 AM
LMH's Avatar
LMH LMH is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Tucson, az
Cobra Make, Engine: Hurricane. 351W something. More on that later!
Posts: 4,523
Not Ranked     
Default

The one on the right is pretty close to what the Cobra used, minus the pulley/fan of course.
Larry
AndrewB likes this.
__________________
Alba gu brāth
Reply With Quote
  #36 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2017, 11:41 AM
jolsen42's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Wayne, NJ
Cobra Make, Engine: Factory Five chassis/Mr. Bruce slabside
Posts: 387
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LMH View Post
The one on the right is pretty close to what the Cobra used, minus the pulley/fan of course.
Larry
Larry, I'm confused. What is the correct pulley/fan. The one I have looks just like the one on the right with a code of C3SF-10344-B. I also have a double pulley fan C3SF-10344-A

Thanks.

John O
__________________
jjo42

Last edited by jolsen42; 04-15-2017 at 11:44 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #37 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2017, 11:47 AM
Dan Case's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
Original Shelby Owner


 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 574
Not Ranked     
Default

The original removed from CSX2332 circa 1972.

__________________
Dan Case
1964 Cobra owner since 1983, Cobra crazy since I saw my first one in the mid 1960s in Huntsville, AL.
Reply With Quote
  #38 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2017, 11:51 AM
Dan Case's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
Original Shelby Owner


 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 574
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark IV View Post
Well they have arrived! The first batch are being packed and shipped to the orders received so far.

These came out very nice and have 16" of wire to allow ease of integration to an existing harness. They have the molded rubber seal as original and the correct wire I.D. stripes.

Working on a new supply of the alternators and possibly a repro of the correct pulley/fan unit!

Nice. How about all the short wire looms Ford supplied? I know it would help some original car owners out if new pieces were available.

Be aware that the common 427 Mercury and Ford sheave and fan assembly and the common original Cobra sheave and fan assemblies are somewhat different. The differences are believed to be only because different subcontractors made the parts and did the final assemblies. I have seen reproductions with mixtures of Ford and Cobra details.
__________________
Dan Case
1964 Cobra owner since 1983, Cobra crazy since I saw my first one in the mid 1960s in Huntsville, AL.

Last edited by Dan Case; 04-15-2017 at 11:55 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #39 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2017, 12:03 PM
jolsen42's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Wayne, NJ
Cobra Make, Engine: Factory Five chassis/Mr. Bruce slabside
Posts: 387
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Case View Post
The original removed from CSX2332 circa 1972.

Thanks Dan, I see the difference in the pulley size. Oh well, mines a replica so only the most discerning eye would notice the difference.

John O
__________________
jjo42
Reply With Quote
  #40 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2017, 12:12 PM
LMH's Avatar
LMH LMH is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Tucson, az
Cobra Make, Engine: Hurricane. 351W something. More on that later!
Posts: 4,523
Not Ranked     
Default

Thanks Dan!
As you see on Dans photo, C3MF-10344-A.



Larry
__________________
Alba gu brāth
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:43 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: CC Policy
Links monetized by VigLink