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02-01-2017, 09:19 PM
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Here is a photo of the part numbers for the 1963 Thunderbird (left column) and the Lincoln Continental (right column. These are for 1963 only, all other Ford and Mercurys list HA or Lance Nivel alternators as optional. I'll try to get to the 1964 part numbers for the same tomorrow.
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02-01-2017, 10:01 PM
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Are these stamped Autolite or FoMoCo?
John O
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Originally Posted by CompClassics
Here is a photo of the part numbers for the 1963 Thunderbird (left column) and the Lincoln Continental (right column. These are for 1963 only, all other Ford and Mercurys list HA or Lance Nivel alternators as optional. I'll try to get to the 1964 part numbers for the same tomorrow.
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02-02-2017, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jolsen42
Are these stamped Autolite or FoMoCo?
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When the cars were new, FoMoCo. This is one of the Thunderbird units NOS right out of the box opened the first time for a picture.
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1964 Cobra owner since 1983, Cobra crazy since I saw my first one in the mid 1960s in Huntsville, AL.
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02-02-2017, 08:58 AM
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Thanks Dan. Now I can have the correct stamp made!
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02-02-2017, 09:36 AM
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Thanks Dan. Now I can have the correct stamp made!
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You are welcome. If Cobra alternators are like most other CSX2201 and later electrical parts American or British most were probably made in batches in 1963 with very few production dates. If dated in 1964 I would expect first quarter 1964 as parts were collected to complete what SAI considered the "1965" cars.
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02-02-2017, 09:52 AM
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Thanks Dan. Now I can have the correct stamp made!
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You're not going to make the C3SF stamp, are you?
I have one if you are.
Larry
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02-02-2017, 10:50 AM
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Dan,
Would this type of Autolite stamp be correct for a later build date? I'm assuming Autolite changed the format of its stamp with the wholesale change from generators to alternators in mid-1964. This stamp is consistent with every original alternator I've seen on a post-August 64 small block Ford. |
02-02-2017, 12:53 PM
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Dan,
Would this type of Autolite stamp be correct for a later build date? I'm assuming Autolite changed the format of its stamp with the wholesale change from generators to alternators in mid-1964. This stamp is consistent with every original alternator I've seen on a post-August 64 small block Ford.
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The change in the parts division identification was a branding change and not a parts design change. Cobras were loaded with FoMoCoŽ branded parts. Some used AUTO-LITEŽ brand 12V batteries followed by AUTOLITEŽ 12 batteries. They used three rib AUTOLITE BF32 spark plugs. Ford purchased Auto-Lite in 1962 and slowly over several years changed the art and text of production packaging. At first they just added notations to earlier packages that the products were made by Ford.
The original post and my replies related to 1964-65 CSX2201 and later Cobra alternators used to build the cars new. As I indicated in the original posting commentary, I would not believe anything not a FoMoCoŽ C3MF-10300-A marked unit to have been something Shelby American built a new Cobra with if that is your question.
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02-27-2017, 11:54 PM
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Dan,
Would this type of Autolite stamp be correct for a later build date? I'm assuming Autolite changed the format of its stamp with the wholesale change from generators to alternators in mid-1964. This stamp is consistent with every original alternator I've seen on a post-August 64 small block Ford. |
Should look like this:
Larry
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02-02-2017, 10:55 AM
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You're not going to make the C3SF stamp, are you?
I have one if you are.
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Well I was gonna but I would use yours!
I also have just confirmed production of the plug and harness assemblies. These will be as original style plugs with the terminals and molded back seal. The wires will be 14" to allow them to be mated into existing harnesses and will carry the original color codes.
I will announce pricing as soon as we have all the costs added up.
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02-02-2017, 11:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark IV
Well I was gonna but I would use yours!
I also have just confirmed production of the plug and harness assemblies. These will be as original style plugs with the terminals and molded back seal. The wires will be 14" to allow them to be mated into existing harnesses and will carry the original color codes.
I will announce pricing as soon as we have all the costs added up.
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Yes, you can use it but it wouldn't be correct for the Cobra. I thought it was but I misunderstood a photo Dan sent me a couple years ago. The correct part number should be C3MF-10300-A.
If you're restoring a Thunderbird though, my stamp is perfect!;-)
Larry
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Alternator plug on my black car.
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02-28-2017, 09:58 PM
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I would assume FoMoCo as there is no reference to Autolite in the specifications.
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04-15-2017, 10:01 AM
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Well they have arrived! The first batch are being packed and shipped to the orders received so far.
These came out very nice and have 16" of wire to allow ease of integration to an existing harness. They have the molded rubber seal as original and the correct wire I.D. stripes.
Working on a new supply of the alternators and possibly a repro of the correct pulley/fan unit!
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