Club Cobra Keith Craft Racing  

Go Back   Club Cobra > Cobra Talk Areas > Originality Forum

Nevada Classics
Main Menu
Module Jump:
Nevada Classics
Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
Advertise at CC
Banner Ad Rates
MMG Superformance
Keith Craft Racing
Keith Craft Racing
November 2025
S M T W T F S
            1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30            

Kirkham Motorsports

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 01-04-2009, 05:02 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Driftwood, TX
Cobra Make, Engine: Contemporary Cobra, 427 side oiler
Posts: 1,850
Not Ranked     
Default

About 4 months ago while surfing Craigslist for a 427 block and misc junk I responded to an ad in Ft Myers about a Shelby aluminum block for sale. Spoke with the guy and he said he had #3021 in his garage, a gold Cobra. He told the story or wrecking it and said it sat in his garage for years with the dry-rotted tires. Said it was the lowest mileage original on the planet. Never got his name but I guess this was the same car/guy. Small world.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 01-04-2009, 05:20 PM
CSX 4027's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: The Heart of the Citrus District, NJ
Cobra Make, Engine: Sold 3047 & 3002 in 2012
Posts: 2,763
Not Ranked     
Default Brett

The Original Hertz Gold paint was probably enamel. They used it on mustangs which were probably enamel also. The new paint was definately laquer which did not adhere to the enamel. There was no primer. The few bondo spots were from lean-on aluminum types of dents and parking lot dings. That's it. The bondo doesn't come off going to gold. Those will be the dust in area's. The obvious advantage about seeing a car like this is the absolute ability to see that it was never hit. The car was with a dealer at that time who needed to sell it so, he did a quickie to make it sale-able. I kept pounds of the chips in zip-locks which will go with the car wherever it ends up. Or actually could be a good Ebay item since a layer of the original gold is on the back side of the chips
__________________
Steve Sunshine

www.competitionlife.com

"Hurry Up And Live"
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 01-04-2009, 05:29 PM
1985 CCX's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Manchester, NH
Cobra Make, Engine: AK1085 (302 Street), HTM111 (427 Comp), CSX2375R (289 Comp) and COB5999 (427 S/C)
Posts: 19,111
Not Ranked     
Default

I can attest to Steve's depiction of the car! It was a painstaking/time consuming process that has really turned out fantastic!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 01-04-2009, 05:43 PM
brettco's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Ankeny, Ia
Cobra Make, Engine: Hi tech 427 SC
Posts: 126
Not Ranked     
Default

So the last coat of 3047s paint will be new? Doesn't the orignal gold finish need what you say is stuck to the back of the paint chips? If the new car used enamel the coats of paint would melt together into one paint film. If it was lacquer and someone waited long enough between lacquer coats they could seperate. You say the quicky repaint didn't stick well but it pulled the gold with it? I guess if you want to call the original substrate the original paint that makes sense but 3047 would still need new topcoat color? This is all a play on words I guess. Good luck. Brett.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 01-04-2009, 07:29 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
Original Shelby Owner


 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Cobra Make, Engine: 31XX Car
Posts: 374
Not Ranked     
Default Paint

Quote:
Originally Posted by CSX 4027 View Post
The Original Hertz Gold paint was probably enamel
Steve - For what it's worth, based on old documents and conversations I've had with a couple of the original SA painters, my feel is that they probably used acrylic laquer on the SC cars. It was the new thing they had switched over to from the nitrocellulose lacquer that AC Cars had originally been using (they asked AC to change). There's probably a way to have a chip analyzed to verify, if you're so inclined.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 01-04-2009, 09:49 PM
CSX 4027's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: The Heart of the Citrus District, NJ
Cobra Make, Engine: Sold 3047 & 3002 in 2012
Posts: 2,763
Not Ranked     
Default Paint

Brett, When the blue came off it took some gold yielding gold on the backside of the blue chip. The car still remains with a layer of gold. It just won't shine and has a sandy finish. The car looks like an old war horse which is really what it is and it is going to stay that way.
Mike, Remember Hertz gold wasn't really a COBRA color or a Ford color but used by Shel to paint the stripes on the Hertz Mustangs. Think cheap. So probably enamel. Whatever it was it was different than the blue laquer used by Carter because there was no permanent adhesion.
__________________
Steve Sunshine

www.competitionlife.com

"Hurry Up And Live"
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 01-04-2009, 10:10 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
Original Shelby Owner


 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Cobra Make, Engine: 31XX Car
Posts: 374
Not Ranked     
Default Paint

Quote:
Originally Posted by CSX 4027 View Post
Mike, Remember Hertz gold wasn't really a COBRA color or a Ford color but used by Shel to paint the stripes on the Hertz Mustangs. Think cheap. So probably enamel. Whatever it was it was different than the blue laquer used by Carter because there was no permanent adhesion.
Steve, SA was mixing their own paint, so I would think whether the color was standard Ford or not shouldn't have impacted the type of paint they would use......what mattered was what they were accustomed to using. SA seemed to think the acrylic lacquer minimized problems (ie, saved $) according to a '65 memo they sent AC. It would be interesting to know if there was any documentation on the type of paint they used for the Hertz Mustang stripes or the basic paint on those cars (if they painted them or just received them painted by Ford), as stripe material may not necessarily be appropriate for an entire car paint job.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 01-04-2009, 10:16 PM
Power Surge's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Palm Coast, FL
Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby American CSX 4241 - authentically built
Posts: 2,573
Not Ranked     
Default

Wasn't the "Hertz gold" used to paint the stripes on the Mustangs clear paint with gold flake added to it?
__________________
Sal Mennella
CSX 4241, KMP 357 - sold and missed, CSX 4819 - cancelled, FFR 5132 - sold

See my car at CSXinfo.net here >> CSX 4241
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 01-06-2009, 04:20 PM
Don Don is offline
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Ellington, CT
Cobra Make, Engine: Classic Roadster 351W, T5, Red & White
Posts: 3,478
Not Ranked     
Default

January 6th news alert from: dhkinney@carsthatmatter.com


" The first weekend of the New Year saw a reported world record price for a 427 SC Cobra at auction plus a "no surprise" price on a well turned out 289. The 427 SC Cobra, CSX 3021, was offered to the sale as the first 427 SC Cobra built and sold for a reported $3,780,000 at auction in Fort Lauderdale, Florida on January 3rd.This is said to be a world-record price for an open Cobra without race history, and, when verified, will fill the record book on many scores. The gold-colored 427 SC, one of only two built in that color, was also featured on the Cobra Caravan, a Shelby roadshow when the car was new. Said to be a one owner car with just 3,800 miles, it was presented at auction late in the sale on Saturday evening where it sold to a buyer in attendance at the event, held in the War Memorial Auditorium.

The same bidder also reportedly bought CSX 2311 for $572,400. This dark green 289 featured some unusual options including dual carbs, painted and not chromed wire wheels and an original Cobra radio. Phone calls and an email sent to the auction sponsor and the auction company, Hollywood Wheels Auctions and Shows, have not been returned at this time. "
__________________
2014 Porsche Cayman S, 2014 M-B CLA 45 AMG,
Unkown:"Their sweet lines all but take my breath away, and I desire them as much for their beauty as for their use "
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 02-21-2009, 09:42 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
Original Shelby Owner


 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Cobra Make, Engine: 31XX Car
Posts: 374
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CSX 4027 View Post
The Original Hertz Gold paint was probably enamel. They used it on mustangs which were probably enamel also.:
Steve - For what it's worth, I just ran across an old SA document in my files that calls out the GT350H gold stripes as being acrylic laquer.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:18 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: CC Policy
Links monetized by VigLink