Registering a used out of state cobra in CA

[Gunner]

That's why I asked. I just got through SB-100 and my investigations from October on were that ALL other avenues - existing title, year of block, etc. - were invalid. In fact, registrations for a year earlier than year of build are now invalid even if issued, and owners really need to take advantage of the amnesty year and get those fixed before they lose them.

I'd bet that David B. registered his car in 2007 or earlier. It was still an option then but only because DMV was doing it wrong. They didn't even look at my prior MA registration and title for CA registration - just put it through the SB-100 hoops.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Gunner

That's why I asked. I just got through SB-100 and my investigations from October on were that ALL other avenues - existing title, year of block, etc. - were invalid. In fact, registrations for a year earlier than year of build are now invalid even if issued, and owners really need to take advantage of the amnesty year and get those fixed before they lose them.

I'd bet that David B. registered his car in 2007 or earlier. It was still an option then but only because DMV was doing it wrong. They didn't even look at my prior MA registration and title for CA registration - just put it through the SB-100 hoops.

This is old territory. In the March 2010 issue of Sports Car Market, Robert Morgester the Assistant AG in CA states that CA must accept a valid out of state 1965 Ford title, because CA law requires that "full faith and credit" be given to other states' titles.

"But," Morgester cautions, "the key word here is 'valid.' The owner would have to establish that a full disclosure of all pertinent facts was made to the other state before title was issued. Otherwise, the title is not 'validly issued' and California would not have to honor it."

[kayakjack]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

This is old territory. In the March 2010 issue of Sports Car Market, Robert Morgester the Assistant AG in CA states that CA must accept a valid out of state 1965 Ford title, because CA law requires that "full faith and credit" be given to other states' titles.

"But," Morgester cautions, "the key word here is 'valid.' The owner would have to establish that a full disclosure of all pertinent facts was made to the other state before title was issued. Otherwise, the title is not 'validly issued' and California would not have to honor it."

Just curious, I don't have a dog in this but...

If you bring a valid 1965 titled reproduction into California do you have to get SB-100? Or is it good enough to simply have a 1965 titled car and comply with 1965 rules in California?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by kayakjack

Just curious, I don't have a dog in this but...

If you bring a valid 1965 titled reproduction into California do you have to get SB-100? Or is it good enough to simply have a 1965 titled car and comply with 1965 rules in California?

CA must honor ("full faith and credit") a valid title of the reproduction 1965 Cobra, Daytona Coupe or GT40, and they would have to comply with the 1965 rules. No SB100 is necessary.

Now, if you have a Noble or GTM or something that was not actually produced in 1965, then you're out of luck. SB100 would be necessary for these vehicles.

[Got the Bug]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

CA must honor ("full faith and credit") a valid title of the reproduction 1965 Cobra, Daytona Coupe or GT40, and they would have to comply with the 1965 rules. No SB100 is necessary.

Now, if you have a Noble or GTM or something that was not actually produced in 1965, then you're out of luck. SB100 would be necessary for these vehicles.

This is a big change in the previous stance that the State of California had taken. There are a number of States that legally title special construction vehicles as a "1965 Cobra", so the strategy for a California buyer is to look at those States for a pre-owned car.

If they've opened up the floodgates, there is no reason to limit SB100 registrations. People are going to have someone register a car in another State as 1965 Cobra, then bring it in to California.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Got the Bug

People are going to have someone register a car in another State as 1965 Cobra, then bring it in to California.

I'm not sure if it's a change. Mr. Morgester talked about the "full faith and credit" issue before in his remarks here on CC.

As for registering a car in another state and then turning around and registering it in CA, that may constitute an "invalid title" since the title is being obtained in another state just to circumvent CA law.

Let's say you buy your new SPF Cobra, title it in another state, somehow (a relative, friend, yourself, etc.) pay their fees, then re-title it in CA and pay our fees. Seems kinda expensive to me and time consuming. Why not just do the SB100 process? It's really not that difficult.

[grybrd123]

Actually, I live in Oregon and don't need to be concerned at the moment. However, I have read the very interesting discussions on SB100 with horror, amusement, concern, and lots of other adjectives. I was curious because if I (some day, but not soon) sold my coupe and someone in CA wanted to buy it, then what?

Also, OR and other states are moving towards the CA system of doing things.

As it happens, Oregon titled my coupe as I hoped it would, based on the MSO that came with it. The MSO that came with the roller stated that it is a "1965 Shelby Cobra Daytona coupe replica". Therefore, OR titled it as a "1965 Shelby coupe replica", VIN SPCXXXX (the chassis number stamped on the frame). The registration slip itself only states "1965 Shelby". Under OR law, it is therefore subject only to the requirements in force in 1965, i.e., no post 1965 smog, safety, or other equipment. So, if my car (or another car with a similar MSO) were sold into CA, it sounds as though there would be no problem titling and registering it because it actually DOES have a valid registration as a 1965, even though its date of build was 2007 and it is a replica.

Am I correct?

Cheers
D