Sb100 Spcnc Hell!!!!

[OPNYDR]

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[ffrcobra_65]

You sold dental stuff, skull, lamp and various crap like that on ebay and now u joined this forum 2 days ago and suddenly became an expert on SB100, at age 19? WOW!
Bubba is going to like u a lot. Don't drop the soap!

[OPNYDR]

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[madmaxx]

I personally love the SB100 process and live in Texas. It provides as much or more entertainment then technical issues with these cars. Out of curiosity how much would an SB100 number be worth? 500?

[ROUSHAC]

Remember, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck!

[bnewell]

ROUSHAC ~ my point is that if you "THINK" you are correct and "THINK" that OPNYDR is wrong, why not keep this thread going so that we can get to "THE FACTS AND NOTHING BUT THE FACTS".

I think this can only happen if this particular thead or any thread for that fact is kept to a cival dialog.

Absolutely nothing is gained if this thread is shut-down by the moderators due to a bunch of name calling.

You know what, I could be totally out of line here, but I don't think so.

Sh!t man, I live in the Midwest.....nothing out here but corn and corn-fed woeman. But if I should ever want to move to the West, I would like to know the rules

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[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by OPNYDR

mrmustang,

You should read your own signature.

I am living up to my sig line by posting the cold hard facts as seen below:

"SPCNS Certificates of Sequence cannot be transferred to a different vehicle or reissued in someone else's name. The seller of a vehicle must provide the buyer with the SPCNS Certificate of Sequence along with the bill of sale and any additional registration documents. In addition, fees deposited in one year cannot be held over for the next year's allocation of certificates."

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/spcns.htm

No bashing, but I do have to wonder why you left that part out of your ebay advertisement.

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[pgermond]

Originally Posted by bnewell

Listen, I know absolutely nothing about the Left-Coast laws.

bnewell, not to offend, but that's the point - you may not know. I'm not trying to scare someone off that is new to this forum. However, when bogus information is posted, or someone is suggesting fraudulent activity..... that is where I draw the line. There is enough confusion with SB100 without some 20' something character throwing in a sack of BS to muddy the water when guys have tens of thousands dollars invested in a dream.

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[Excaliber]

I'm still on the fence as to if this is legal or not, and it MAY well be LEGAL. Again, ethical is another question all together. This DOES sound like a logical loophole and could in fact lead to someone 'buying' up a bunch of SB100 numbers. While Morgester may indeed concur that at this point it is legal, I would hope he is (as we speak) also taking steps to close this potential loop hole.

By the way, how old Opnydr is (and it certainly appears from his posts he is NOT a teenager) is not an issue. Many great discoveries, theories, works of art, etc have been by 'young people'. They should not be taken to lightly.

It really pisses me off that Boyd or other commercial builders are able to exploit the SB100 rules for 'profit', that includes you or your friends Opnydr. Hey, just my opinion...

[pgermond]

Excaliber - Google "OPNYDR" and look at the profile on the FFR Forum.... seems he is spreading the same BS over there

[bnewell]

pgermond ~ I completely understand and no offense taken. I guess I just like to hear both sides of the story and this just seemed to be one sided. And maybe for a reason??

Since I do not know anything about CA laws, I really do not feel that I should comment (but I did).......although I do find this to be an interesting debate regarding CA laws and would like to see it continue.

Over the years I know that there have been so called "Trolls" on this site that do nothing but cause conflict. One of my faults is that I always try to give someone the benefit of the doubt. And after the debate is over, I will finalize my opinion.

I guess that is what I am trying to do here.

Take care,

[ffrcobra_65]

OPNYDR

Ok, first and foremost, you only qualify for a SB100 if you are registering a new or pre-owned build or re-registering previously but incorrectly titled car. ALL of which require you to have either a MSO or Bill of Sale or a Title, P-E-R-I-O-D. You can not get a SB100 with just your phone number. Do you even know that you need to complete several DMV forms to get started on your application for SB100? How do u suppose you complete those forms without a car? Put you phone number in all the fields?

Mr Mustang has outlined it perfectly clear, you can not transfer SB100 to another car. Clearly though, u are not willing to share how one would LEGALLY buy and use a SB100 that has been issued for another car.
I am willing to bet you are that Darren person I met in line Tuesday morning at the DMV. You had asked me about cobra forums and I specifically told you about Club Cobra and now u are here! You had asked me about if I knew anyone who had used a SB100 on a different car than it was issued for and what I thought of simply cutting the frame on which the kit serial # is etched and replace it with a new piece.
You think we are stupid here? Everything that you are implying is a felony. It is the people like you and the Boyds of this state that have made registering replicas and kit cars difficult in this state. While you seem like a intelligent person, you are wasting your gift on shady dealings. When you look in the mirror, tell your "FRIEND" it is not too late to walk the straight line before you end up walking the line.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by OPNYDR

I never came up with a loophole, make the phone call, and speak to the attorney.

A SB100 assigned to a car that is being scratch built, is assigned to the parts used.

A MSO is nonexistent, nor is a VIN. If you bought a car while it was in the process of construction, what happens to the SB100?

I never said I was selling mine, as I’m using them for my FFRs. But there are legal was of transferring, and trust me- Boyd, Foose and many other car builders are known to use this same process.

I have not used this process, and as the attorney said, “His advice is free and take it as you will.”

All I’m saying is, there are LEGAL ways to do it, without a TRANSFER.

Simon .

If you believe there is a legal way to do it without transfer (besides titling a car not your own in your name or your fathers first), then by all means post it here for everyone to see. (You say that Boyd has done it yet you must have missed when he was prosecuted by the state of California.) Otherwise, you now have more than just yourself involved and things could get sticky for a Californian in a NY institution of higher learning. In closing, while I do not know everything about the California Dept of Motor Vehicles, I do know what is fact and what is not. If you got an attorney to offer you "free advice", then you already know it's really not worth anything and most likely is not based in current case laws in California. I do suggest that you walk away from this one and chalk it up as a learning experience, instead of trying very hard to prove yourself right when in this case you are not. I'll await either an email response from Morgester, or perhaps a post of his own as he is still a semi active member of this forum. We can then all go from there.

[Excaliber]

Heres the REAL question: What if it isn't 100% BS? What IF Boyd and others have all ready 'exploited' the SB100 numbers given out THIS YEAR? Legal or not, it stinks to high heaven and I would want ANYONE exploiting SB100 numbers for COMMERCIAL purposes to be prosecuted to the max!

The 'REAL' SB100 numbers are issued to hardcore guys who show up their local DMV at 5 am to get one. Anything else is just a 'replica'.