CA: New criminal cases filed

[JohnWorthing848]

As long as registration and title regulations are different from state to state these problems will continue. My SPF #848 is registered as a first time 2004 Specially Constructed Vehicle in California under SB100. If I move to AZ are they going to ask me to smog it as a 2004 model? Good question huh! If states are supposed to respect the chain of registration .... RIGHT!

I just took delivery of a 2008 Denali XL from a dealer client of mine in NV. I am required to get a smog certificate on the vehicle, yes, actuallty take the brand new 2008 vehicle to a smog station and have a physical inspection to make sure I did not alter the smog system on the way to CA from NV. I have done this several times over the years, bit of an inconvenience but no big deal.

What this does is insure that a citizen who is asking the state to title and register a vehicle is doing so correctly. This hopefully insures the integrity of the proccess. When I look at a car for sale and the owner shows me a title and reg I want to know that it is accurate.

Our cars are kit cars, manufactured replica's, home built in some cases. They will never ever be on an equal footing with a manufactured vehicle. To try and draw comparisons to federal vin laws and such is silly. This has become a symantic circle jerk for some of you. I don't give a damn what your state says your car is, it is what it is. Do the best you can where you live.


Our situation in CA is what it is.. If the SB100 limit is not increased and you don't get a number you will be forced to have your cars pass smog or sell them.

Sad but true!

[Woodz428]

Originally Posted by JohnWorthing848

What this does is insure that a citizen who is asking the state to title and register a vehicle is doing so correctly.

That process, alone, implies that everyone is presumed guilty until proven innocent.....not quite how the founding fathers envisioned it. It is, for me, a Constitutional issue and NO rationalizing will alter that. This is not the only case like it, there are many in other areas besides the Cobra world. The only way to stop the progression to tyranny is resist it at all venues.
We have had several inquiries from people in Ca. about our Coupe, the 1965 listing (as required here) automaticly puts a cease to the discussion.
The states that have accepted the titling process Illinois uses, and the numbers are growing, require the car be titled as the year it represents as well as the manufacturers name. So a Deuce, that has a "Rod Bods" body would be a "1932 Rod Bods Ford roadster". I see no deception. Cars that are not replicas are covered in the second paragraph of registration form.
The fact that these cars are so few in comparison to the major numbers of general vehicles, and travel considerably less than most everyday transportation illustrates, to me, an over use of govt.(read;yours and mine) funds in an area that will have little effect on the real issues that Ca. and the nation need to address.

[Randy Rosenberg]

Originally Posted by Woodz428

...We have had several inquiries from people in Ca. about our Coupe, the 1965 listing (as required here) automaticly puts a cease to the discussion.
The states that have accepted the titling process Illinois uses, and the numbers are growing, require the car be titled as the year it represents as well as the manufacturers name. So a Deuce, that has a "Rod Bods" body would be a "1932 Rod Bods Ford roadster". I see no deception. Cars that are not replicas are covered in the second paragraph of registration form...

SEMA did a great job on lobbying in Illinois for this change - http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=60246

Read more about what SEMA has done has done recently in Florida - http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62294

...Importantly, kit cars and replica vehicles will be assigned a certificate of title bearing the same model-year designation as the production vehicle they most closely resemble.

Florida joins Arkansas, Colorado, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, Rhode Island, Virginia and Washington as states that have enacted similar bills into law...

...In addition, the measure exempts street rods and customs from a range of standard equipment requirements and emissions controls (only that equipment required in the model year that the vehicle resembles)...

I wish that they would do that here in CA!

Here's a link the latest that SEMA has done in CA - http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=61557 - read it carefully, as this is the very same "smog by year of block" that Morgester is leading us to believe will be ending soon.

Originally Posted by Morgester

Note BAR will be changing the process shortly. Outside the SB100 process they will no longer test to the year of the block. They will instead test to the year of build. This means that you must meet 2007 standards if you do not have SB100.

Additionally, I've never heard anyone acquire successful smog exemption (or smog every two years) to the year of the block, when a "crate replacement" block is used.

In the second case, for specially constructed vehicles without a Senate Bill 100 sequence number, the only emissions controls required are those used when the engine was originally manufactured. For example, a Cobra kit-car using a 1968 351C Ford V8 would require all emissions equipment originally required for that model year engine. A dune buggy upgraded with a '91 L79 TPI GM V8 would require all emissions equipment used on that engine. More generally, if a configuration precedes 1966, no exhaust emissions controls would be required. If the configuration precedes 1961, no PCV system would be required. If a range of model years applies to any particular engine configuration, vehicle owners will have the option to select the model year of emissions controls to be used. Further, according to the BAR, new and rebuilt "crate" engines fall into this "range of model years" category. As an example in this category, the use of a Chevrolet 5.7L ZZ4 V8 engine in a replica of a '32 Ford roadster would require emissions equipment used found on the first 5.7L engines used in '67. Finally, and in some instances, vehicle owners may be required to provide engine information to aid in the identification and inspection process.

SEMA has a good track record for their work in other states - they need to focus on CA in order for us to see any changes.