CSX3016 for sale through Exotic Classics, Syosset NY

[mtml427]

Seems like Cobras are beginning to follow suit with Ferraris.
I have been looking at 3060 (1). Another case of an overactive imagination.
Perhaps the bidding will reflect the authenticity of this car.

[Dwight]

I clicked on the ad and it's listed as "sold"

Does anyone know the price it sold for?

Dwight

[ACademic]

Thank goodness that I don't have a couple million dollars lying around...you guys just saved me a bundle!

[dcdoug]

How is this not basic fraud?

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by dcdoug

How is this not basic fraud?

Absence of scienter.

[dcdoug]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Absence of scienter.

Possibly.

[Thor maine]

My question is , when does a real genuine Shelby from the 60's stop being a real genuine Shelby from the 60's??? So say you have a real genuine Shelby from the 60's that has done a lot of racing. Ok so being a racer it does not have the original motor that being the nature of racing you change and destroy engines. and say that maybe the car has been in so much race action that very little of the original body is left. And say that we throw in a few major accidents and the main frame rail has been replaced and say while you are there you replace the other rail to with a thicker higher quality tubing and a lot of the suspension is replaced with higher quality pieces( Carroll Shelby said " Ac used a lot of pot metal". So is this car still a real genuine Shelby Cobra???

[LMH]

Originally Posted by Thor maine

My question is , when does a real genuine Shelby from the 60's stop being a real genuine Shelby from the 60's??? So say you have a real genuine Shelby from the 60's that has done a lot of racing. Ok so being a racer it does not have the original motor that being the nature of racing you change and destroy engines. and say that maybe the car has been in so much race action that very little of the original body is left. And say that we throw in a few major accidents and the main frame rail has been replaced and say while you are there you replace the other rail to with a thicker higher quality tubing and a lot of the suspension is replaced with higher quality pieces( Carroll Shelby said " Ac used a lot of pot metal". So is this car still a real genuine Shelby Cobra???

As I see it, we don't really know what it is. The problem is it's titled as "CSX3016" and as DMXF points out, the original 3016 is known and it's not this car.
That's how I see it now.
Larry

[Thor maine]

Originally Posted by Thor maine

My question is , when does a real genuine Shelby from the 60's stop being a real genuine Shelby from the 60's??? So say you have a real genuine Shelby from the 60's that has done a lot of racing. Ok so being a racer it does not have the original motor that being the nature of racing you change and destroy engines. and say that maybe the car has been in so much race action that very little of the original body is left. And say that we throw in a few major accidents and the main frame rail has been replaced and say while you are there you replace the other rail to with a thicker higher quality tubing and a lot of the suspension is replaced with higher quality pieces( Carroll Shelby said " Ac used a lot of pot metal". So is this car still a real genuine Shelby Cobra???

That's owner /builder.

[Nedsel]

D-CEL, you lost me at "knowing the history."

[Nedsel]

The car at auction is the car formerly said to be 3106 with a fresh shock tower top installed bearing a CSX3016 VIN. The claimed existence of the other car, still carrying its shock tower, makes the originality of the shock tower on the auction car suspect. But the auction car was also reported to have started out as a 32xx or 33xx-numbered car, with added comp features. Now you know why it is unclear who is on first. And why anyone purchasing this car may encounter legal issues down the road.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

The car at auction is the car formerly said to be 3106 with a fresh shock tower top installed bearing a CSX3016 VIN. The claimed existence of the other car, still carrying its shock tower, makes the originality of the shock tower on the auction car suspect. But the auction car was also reported to have started out as a 32xx or 33xx-numbered car, with added comp features. Now you know why it is unclear who is on first. And why anyone purchasing this car may encounter legal issues down the road.

So is the "other" (non-auction) car, the car converted to a stock car with a 1930's body or the misplaced parts in some relative's garage? Or is there yet a different story for the "other" car?

[Nedsel]

The "other car" is claimed to be the crashed Grossman car that was converted to a stock car using a late 30's Ford body on the 3016 chassis, and later dismantled. It is now said to be in pieces, but retaining the original chassis with the pieced-in right side main frame rail as a result of Grossman's wreck, as well as the numbered front crossmember. Problem is, the current location of this is only known to a small group of people and, thus far, they aren't talking. I would suggest to the person who claims to know about this car and who reads Club Cobra threads: it's time to fish or cut bait.

[Ron61]

If I had the money to purchase an original I would stay away from this one. For a Cobra that has the type of history this one has or doesn't have, it certainly does generate a lot of interest. I wish if someone really does still have most of the original frame and parts they would make it known.

Does anyone know if this car at auction has anything but the top of the shock tower with the 3016 vin? Per what our assistant state attorney general told me when I called him about it and asked him how anyone could register it in this state, they can't. I believe, and it has been some time ago that I called so I may be in error here, but I am almost positive he told me that one of the originals had to have at least 3 of the original pieces with the vin stamped into them and they supposedly have a person working for them that is an expert on where to look and what to look for. Any way it goes, if I had the money to buy an original, I wouldn't touch this one.

Ron

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

The "other car" is claimed to be the crashed Grossman car that was converted to a stock car using a late 30's Ford body on the 3016 chassis, and later dismantled. It is now said to be in pieces, but retaining the original chassis with the pieced-in right side main frame rail as a result of Grossman's wreck, as well as the numbered front crossmember. Problem is, the current location of this is only known to a small group of people and, thus far, they aren't talking. I would suggest to the person who claims to know about this car and who reads Club Cobra threads: it's time to fish or cut bait.

Yeah, if the "other" car is the real CSX3016, why not publish some pictures of it?

Someone managed to get a few pictures of CSX2287 while it was in hiding. I can't believe that the owner of the "other" CSX3016 car is as nutty as Donna was...

[SunDude]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

The "other car" is claimed to be the crashed Grossman car that was converted to a stock car using a late 30's Ford body on the 3016 chassis, and later dismantled. It is now said to be in pieces, but retaining the original chassis with the pieced-in right side main frame rail as a result of Grossman's wreck, as well as the numbered front crossmember. Problem is, the current location of this is only known to a small group of people and, thus far, they aren't talking. I would suggest to the person who claims to know about this car and who reads Club Cobra threads: it's time to fish or cut bait.

Ned, is this the car you mean...? Or is this a different (unidentified) chassis?

[1ntCobra]

Hmm... estimated selling price 1.9 to 2.4 million.

"It passed through different owners over several years, at one point even being temporarily mistitled as 3106 before corrected..."

1965 Shelby 427 Competition Cobra CSX3016, 1966 Sebring Class Winner for sale by Mecum Auction

[Nedsel]

No, that's not it - that car was said to be CSX 3150, but turned out to be a stolen chassis with its correct VIN obliterated.

[SunDude]

UPDATE: As it happens CSX3016 did not sell today at Mecum Kissimmee on a high bid of $1,700,000 USD.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by SunDude

UPDATE: As it happens CSX3016 did not sell today at Mecum Kissimmee on a high bid of $1,700,000 USD.

I was not there, but rumor from those that were stated that real bidding stalled around $950,000