CSX4787 for sale on Bring a Trailer

[Tim7139]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Exactly, except this isn't the seller's actual ad. A ClubCobra member posted it here for discussion, which we're doing.

This is a separate forum from BaT, if you didn't notice.


And if you've never entered a discussion forum before, say like one that discusses the NBA or MLB or NFL, then the comments made here in comparison are tame.

Bottom line, a date code correct NOS side oiler block in a fiberglass Cobra replica, where nothing else is date code correct but the block, is utter nonsense to me.

And Thor maine is correct above. It's a "nice kit car."

Why nonsense, kidding aside WTF is wrong with a nice car with a premium engine under the hood. The embellishments may be BS but as far as the engine, I'd rather have it than not.

[twobjshelbys]

crab legs, prime rib.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

crab legs, prime rib.

I hope those buffet bathrooms have working exhaust fans.

[E5USMC]

I personally think it's a nice touch to try and replicate the original as best as you can. It can be a full blown attempt or even minor touches that give it a more original 60s look and feel. I mean it's a replica so why not replicate !!!! �� Me personally I hate seeing Coyote engines under the hood of a Cobra or 17-18" tires and wheels but everyone has an idea of what they want their car to be. To each his own.

[RodKnock]

Guys, I/we've discussed this topic many times before.

You're going by the strict definition of the word "replica" which would mean an exact copy. Unfortunately no Cobra replica is an exact copy of the original. For example, the Kirkham body missed many details of the original body on purpose.

As much as we want to copy the original, our replicas will never be an exact copy and that's OK. I just believe finding original parts and sticking them on a replica is waste of time. But if you want to find that OEM dash knob or fuse box, go ahead, but if I'm buying a replica that has a date coded side oiler I'd actually pay less for it knowing that a Pond or Shelby block is a modern part that performs better, as one example.

I understand "original-ism". I have a Porsche too and the radio doesn't work. So I'm going to repair the radio or find one just like it, instead of buying a modern radio that performs better. But the car is a real Porsche made in Germany not a replica.

[peterpjb]

you always compare porsches and cobras but that doesn't work

porsches are constructions with all parts designed, constructed and predominantly manufactured by porsche

cobra is a component car from the very beginning with the only intellectual performance to connect the right existing parts

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

cobra is a component car from the very beginning with the only intellectual performance to connect the right existing parts

IMO, Carroll Shelby's original Cobra was not much different than what many hot rodders did and still do - CS took a body and frame he liked, did an engine swap and then tweaked some other components so it all worked together. He did one better than most hot rodders did by turning it into a limited production automobile that he sold a few copies of. The fact he was a former racer and had connections in the auto industry probably didn't hurt his cause but, then again, many would do the same if they had the same opportunity.

So, yes, it was a component car from the very beginning, albeit with a bit less variance from car to car than what the kit / replica / component / tribute car industry has subsequently produced.

When the Small Vehicle Manufacturers legislation takes effect we may see others (e.g. Superformance, Kirkham, FFR) produce limited production Cobra-esque roadsters once again. There's already been an announcement from AC in the UK to that effect (using GM crate engines), and I've also seen an announcement somebody is going to produce coffin-nosed Cords.

The next few years are going to be very interesting in the replicar industry.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

you always compare porsches and cobras but that doesn't work

porsches are constructions with all parts designed, constructed and predominantly manufactured by porsche

cobra is a component car from the very beginning with the only intellectual performance to connect the right existing parts

Maybe the example doesn't work for you, but it works for me.

You simply don't understand my example, but I'll keep it simple this time. And the construction of the original car and where the parts were sourced from is irrelevant.

Let's say I own a Toyota Land Cruiser (or pick any OEM car you want). I will buy OEM parts for an original car, wherever the part was sourced or originated from. So, in my new example, an OEM part for a Land Cruiser is made by Toyota or one of its suppliers. If I had a REPLICA of a Land Cruiser, then I think buying an OEM Toyota part for my REPLICA Land Cruiser is simply ridiculous and a complete waste of time, for me. Maybe not for you, but for me yes. That's my opinion, so like it or not. I honestly don't care.

Back to the OP, installing a date coded OEM side oiler in a Cobra replica is a waste of time and effort IMO. Little, if anything else on that Shelby Cobra replica, is OEM. Pretty much nothing came from the 1960's, but for the block. I would have sourced a Pond or Shelby block instead.

[Thor maine]

Say it again, that is a nice Kit Car. Date coded engine, who cares the car is date coded from the 2000 something so why would you try? I replica kit car will no matter how much you want it to be, now matter if you have a date coded engine, match the exact number of rivets on the hood scoop or matched the color of the 1965 championship season and that includes if you purchased it from Shelby or AC Cars Ltd is still a replica kit car. And they are fantastic but don't get all "Original this and date coded that" when your car has a square tube frame ,suspension from a MustangII or a Jag or a BMW SUV and the body was made by a company that makes boat hulls.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Thor maine

Say it again, that is a nice Kit Car. Date coded engine, who cares the car is date coded from the 2000 something so why would you try? I replica kit car will no matter how much you want it to be, now matter if you have a date coded engine, match the exact number of rivets on the hood scoop or matched the color of the 1965 championship season and that includes if you purchased it from Shelby or AC Cars Ltd is still a replica kit car. And they are fantastic but don't get all "Original this and date coded that" when your car has a square tube frame ,suspension from a MustangII or a Jag or a BMW SUV and the body was made by a company that makes boat hulls.

^^^Exactly.

The Shelby Cobra replica in the BaT auction looks beautiful, but it's a replica and a date coded OEM side oiler does nothing for me. I'd rather the car have a Shelby or Pond block.

[E5USMC]

Since we kinda opened the door on this I'll ask... is there any difference between the KMP aluminum chassis and the one KMP builds for Shelby or are they built exactly the same? I know when comparing the SPF and CSX glass there are visual differences with the body .

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by E5USMC

Since we kinda opened the door on this I'll ask... is there any difference between the KMP aluminum chassis and the one KMP builds for Shelby or are they built exactly the same? I know when comparing the SPF and CSX glass there are visual differences with the body .

Originally Kirkham used to just sell their frame and body to Shelby. Shelby would add everything else like an more original style suspension. These days Kirkham sells complete rollers to Shelby and they apparently have the Kirkham billet style suspension. So these days a Shelby is a painted Kirkham with a csx number assigned to it.

[E5USMC]

Thanks for the info!!!!

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Originally Kirkham used to just sell their frame and body to Shelby. Shelby would add everything else like an more original style suspension. These days Kirkham sells complete rollers to Shelby and they apparently have the Kirkham billet style suspension. So these days a Shelby is a painted Kirkham with a csx number assigned to it.

[twobjshelbys]

Groundhogs day is only a little short of two months away. See, here we go again, the same three or 4 people harping about a Shelby. I guess we haven't had one for a while and of course, you think we need to be constantly reminded of this, feel compelled to turn a simple factual post into it... again.... But... why? There isn't anything here that hasn't been said 20 times already. Oh well.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Groundhogs day is only a little short of two months away. See, here we go again, the same three or 4 people harping about a Shelby. I guess we haven't had one for a while and of course, you think we need to be constantly reminded of this, feel compelled to turn a simple factual post into it... again.... But... why? There isn't anything here that hasn't been said 20 times already. Oh well.

I agree wholeheartedly. It is Groundhog's Day here.

And BTW, you also always seem to locate these threads and post complaints about the harping. And your contribution here is harping too.

You simply don't have to click on the thread and you can simply locate the "ignore" feature of this site to ignore me and the other "harpers." I suggest you use it, if the "harping" bothers you so much.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I agree wholeheartedly. It is Groundhog's Day here.

And BTW, you also always seem to locate these threads and post complaints about the harping. And your contribution here is harping too.

You simply don't have to click on the thread and you can simply locate the "ignore" feature of this site to ignore me and the other "harpers." I suggest you use it, if the "harping" bothers you so much.

I find the phrase "harping" to be morally offensive. The harp is a beautiful stringed musical instrument which, when plucked with the fingers properly, is quite soothing. You should find a less inclusive word.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

I find the phrase "harping" to be morally offensive. The harp is a beautiful stringed musical instrument which, when plucked with the fingers properly, is quite soothing. You should find a less inclusive word.

So, do you think a harpist will buy OEM harp parts to fix their original harps when repairs are needed or do you think they go to the aftermarket to source their harp parts?

And when the audience sees a replica harp with OEM harp parts, do they scoff or derisively scorn at a replica harp with OEM harp parts on or in it. I certainly would.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

So, do you think a harpist will buy OEM harp parts to fix their original harps when repairs are needed or do you think they go to the aftermarket to source their harp parts?

And when the audience sees a replica harp with OEM harp parts, do they scoff or derisively scorn at a replica harp with OEM harp parts on or in it. I certainly would.

Well, since you asked, pedal harps should be strung with gut strings. Gut strings tend to have much higher tension than nylon strings. Unless they are lever gut strings, which are a lighter tension than pedal gut strings. I doubt your "tin ear" could discern a difference.

[ChiChris]

Thank God these posts always turn into the same fight!

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ChiChris

Thank God these posts always turn into the same fight!

Instead of "real versus replica" this time, now the thread is morphing into component versus OEM and who sold what part and when. Who cares.

Besides Nedsel and CSX 3170, and maybe a few others, none of us own an OEM 1960's original Cobra, so who cares where the OEM parts were sourced from. It's irrelevant, but proceed if you want.