"You said, in another post;
"I tune Demon carbs every day all day."
If this is true, then you must know that not all carbs will work perfectly right out of the box."
I don’t believe ANY carb works perfectly right out of the box, the purchaser needs to understand the difference between “Tuning" a carb and having to “Repair” or "Modify" it before it can be used. Yes we do tune Demon’s everyday, we disassemble each and every carb before it leaves our shop to be sure that everything is correct and we baseline set them as close as possible to each specific application. We want the car to fire off and run for every customer and to minimize tuning.
As you know nobody can tune a carb on a bench and expect it to be perfect, if we could do that we’d be very wealthy men.
"But your friend Doug seems to think that both companies buy parts from the same suppliers. I would too, if I were manufacturing a product that was so closely designed to another product that I could avail myself of the plethora of parts and components already available."
Correct just as Crane, Comp, Isky and everyone else buys their blank cams from virtually the same 2 American suppliers, gaskets, power valves and jets are the purchased by all carburetor companies from the same specialty vendors.
"What other carbs have "dual modular float bowls" ?? I know of exactly - well - none! I wonder why that is?"
Pro Form Chinese Plagiarized junk, Carb Shop, Brazwel, etc., these Guy’s will all tell you that they only use the Holley carb castings and everything else is there own design, in fact some of them get nasty if you infer that their Holley carb is actually a Holley carb.
"Maybe BG no longer buys parts or carbs from Holley, but I know they have. I also know that I have, in my shop right now, two Holley 4150 carbs that have BG logos on them."
That is a factual statement, in the early years BG started out reworking Holley Carbs, but since the inception of the Demon and following the Law suit by Holley (which Holley lost) BG has developed their own Main Body’s, Base Plates, Metering blocks and redesigned the old Holley “style” modular carb to a much more refined product using modern casting technology and computer aided design.
"BTW - You guys that freak over the sweet looking anodizing on some of these carbs, you should see some of the new Billet pieces offered by old friend Bo Laws at BLP!"
Those pieces look suspiciously like the Pro Form Chinese Stuff?
If they really make your Holley work better than a BG Carb, which I doubt knowing Chinese quality control, the design is plagiarized and should not be allowed in this country along with the multitude of other designs they have stolen and market here under American type names like Eagle, Cat, Scat the list is endless. But that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it under the constitution...LOL
But if you want color? Look here:
http://www.barrygrant.com/demon/default.aspx?page=21c
You can buy and use whatever you want; I personally won’t put any Chinese parts on or in my American Muscle car. The designs are stolen, the quality is seldom there, they use slave labor and then take my hard earned dollars to build a Military and point their guns at us, not my money, no thanks.
I avoid anything made in China like the plague, I realize that these days it’s almost impossible but I try my very best to not give them any of my hard earned money, something’s just can’t be avoided like the Microsoft key board I’m typing on, but I try and if there’s an alternative I’ll take it.
Here’s some interesting links on Barry Grant as a person and his products:
http://www.barrygrant.com/pages/fuel_for_thought.aspx
http://www.barrygrant.com/pages/aboutus.aspx
As Jerry Springer would say…. “And In Closing”
There’s very few good carb tuners left out there, you and I and a few others are a rare breed, we’re left overs of another generation and another time zone. We understand where technology has taken us and where it’s going, the carburetor is doomed it’s just a matter of time before the lack of sales and popularity make it a Dinosaur. If we’re still around we’ll probably have to be retrained, I don’t expect to be concerned about a re-training program I doubt I’ll live to see it.
Holley is reducing it’s services as their sales are less than optimum, it is my understanding that they have closed the fuel pump technical and service departments, I was told by a customer you can no longer get a pump rebuilt or buy parts for them. I don't know I haven't called them myself, maybe you could enlighten us on this and cearify the rumor?
Is it Barry Grant that’s eating away at their sales…probably some, but IMO it’s a combination of competition, slowing demand, lack of R&D on new products and lack luster customer support that’s really hurting them.
BG sales are way up every year, if I were going to invest my retirement money in a carb company I guarantee you it wouldn’t be in Holley.
Keep up the good work my freind...long live Muscle cars and the 4 Barrel Carb...of any name plate!
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