Where to get 460 all aluminum engine?

[Bob In Ct]

A 61 Ford just sold at B-J for about a tenth of million dollars. According to the announcers the car had an all aluminum 460 Ford crate engine in it.

Where does one buy such an engine?

Bob

[blykins]

You can buy an aluminum 460 block from Ford Racing. Aluminum heads are available from several manufacturers.......Ford Racing sells aluminum SCJ heads.....

[trularin]

Bob, you still got that tire????

I left a message for shipping to 48348.

PM me if you still want to get rid of it.

[KrAzEcJ]

http://www.racepartsdistribution.com...eengines_1.htm

Engine package 10

or the block

http://www.racepartsdistribution.com...neblocks_1.htm

[RPRICE]

I've got one of these in SPF 1301 that Keith Craft built.
Richard
Memphis

[Bob In Ct]

I've gone everywhere mentioned in this thread. All I find is iron blocks with aluminum heads. Where are the aluminum 460 blocks?

Bob

[Tim Brewer]

Bob, go to any ford dealership and buy one out of the FMS catalogs. They are made by ford, part #M-6010-A96, says they can be bored/stroked to 815 cu.in. Or just call their race parts dist. @ (704) 892-8688,(hope that's still a good #).
Tim

[cobrashoch]

Bob - What you are experiencing is what's been going on in the 385 world for a while now. Yes, there is alum. blocks out there but they are not so easly had.
Understand that the Aluminum blocks out there weigh just as much as the equilivant stock and some aftermarket blocks and are not any stronger than the aftermarket stuff out there.
And you will start to understand why there is not much interest in aluminum blocks by in large.
For a rundown of the stuff out there I suggest the following sites:

www.network54.com/forum/85220

www.eliminatorproducts.com
pay attention to the high carbon block- Formula I stuff......... They also manufacture tall deck blocks too.
cobrashock

[Burgs]

Originally posted by cobrashoch



Understand that the Aluminum blocks out there weigh just as much as the equilivant stock

[KrAzEcJ]

Originally posted by Bob In Ct


I've gone everywhere mentioned in this thread. All I find is iron blocks with aluminum heads. Where are the aluminum 460 blocks?

Bob

No you havent.... look again or better yet if your serious and want one the block runs about 6500$ give RDI a call here.



Raceparts Distribution, Inc.
PO Box 1203
19450 Zion Street
Cornelius, North Carolina 28031

Telephone: 704-892-8688
Fax: 704-896-7383

[KrAzEcJ]

Originally posted by Burgs

82 pounds lighter Burgs

[davidlee]

Tim,
Our local Ford dealership does not sell any Ford racing parts or acc. I've tried to buy several different items from them. Every time they tell me to go to our local speed shop that handles FMS. I couldn't even get a FL1 HP oil filter from the dealer.
Go figure.
David

[cobrashoch]

Burgs - The motosports 10.3 deck block in my garage weighs 187 lbs. and it has not been cut on yet.

The D1VE block I used in my car was 208 lbs pre machine'd and I didn't weigh the block prior to final assy. Through boring,decking,and honing, you will normally loose + - about 20 lbs. In addition you can have a block lightened 15 or 20 lbs.(mayby more) at most high quality machine shops for a couple of hundred bucks normally. I didn't lighten my motor but if I was to fresh build it over I most likely would, and I would use a late fuel block, I think. The lightest 385 blocks out there are the late model fuel injection blocks that come in around 175 lbs bare.
My iron Cobra motor weighed in at 545 with the supercharger, sans accessorys. A buddie of mines almost identical FE in a Thunderbolt was about 45lbs less. (Genesis block)
RDI blocks($$$$$$) generally are used on Boss headed engines,
but in any rate are heavier that stock iron blocks due to extra webbing, and are much heavier yet on tall deck blocks due to increased webbing.
Bottom line---- On 385's, if you are running the the popular "B' style heads out there, a stock iron block is all you will most likely need. If you are running a large bore combo, possibly with "C" style heads, I would consider a aluminum block, but keep in mind there are light weight block options too. For cost considerations I would run a RDI block on a boss, PERIOD!
The short answer to this - on 385 10.3 deck blocks they ALL, repeat - ALL, weigh in at plus or minus about 30 lbs. of each other. And there is some stuff you can do to even help that. All tall deck blocks regardless of material used will outweigh any stock iron block, even a early DoVE-A heavy block.
I don't know if the Ford Motorsports aluminum blocks can even be bought right now. Last I heard, you will be put on backorder if you were to try to get one. You most likely will find someone on the 385 forum that has one for sale if you are serious, and want to find one. My aluminum block is not for sale.
BTW - Build for matching build, a FE engine will only be about 60lbs (plus or minnis a bit) lighter than a 385 build. That's not much in my mind, unless of couse you are using a Shelby block. Shelby blocks weigh in at about 100lbs bare. In addition most aluminum FE heads weigh a little less that most "B" 385 heads.
Sorry if I've stepped on anyone's toes but this is how it all looks to me, and believe me I've been down this road a while. Maybe this post belongs on CC's 460/ 429 forum because by in large only a sports car group really gives a hoop about what a engine weighs anyhow, when building cross competitive engines.
cobrashock

[KrAzEcJ]

Cobrashoch made a good point about a stock block is all you need. My weight comparison was not between a stock block and an aluminum block. It was between a hi performance iron block (A460)

M-6010-A460* 10.322" Deck Height

Cast iron block with 4-bolt main caps on journals 2, 3, and 4

Nodular iron main caps

Can be bored/stroked to produce 598 cu. in.

Siamese cylinder bores

Bore range from 4.360-4.600"

Wet sump oiling design

3.000" main journal diameter

Weighs approximately 290 lbs.

High-strength block for professional competition (Circle Track, Drag Racing)


And an aluminum block with "almost" the same specs {can be bored out further)


M-6010-A96* 10.320" Deck Height
Heavy duty, light weight alternative to cast iron

356-T7 cast aluminum block with 4-bolt, steel billet main caps

4.625" maximum bore size

Siamese cylinder bores, 6.500" long

Finished main bores for standard 3.000" crankshaft journal bearings

Uses M-6261-A460 roller cam bearings

Weighs approximately 179 lbs.

Available from Raceparts Distribution, Inc. (704) 892-8688

NOTE: Siamese blocks are solid casting between the cylinder bores. There are no water passages between them.This is done to increase the strength of the block.


So if your comparing a stock 429/460 block with an aluminum, like Cobrashoch said, theres not much difference

[Burgs]

cobrashoch, Kieth Craft has aluminum FE blocks, (like Genesis) from Robert Pond, but I'm not sure of the weight. Mine will have Kieth's reworked Edelbrock's on a 482 stroker.

[750hp]

Originally posted by KrAzEcJ



M-6010-A96* 10.320" Deck Height


Uses M-6261-A460 roller cam bearings

Can't use that on the street. At least, I've never heard of anyone using roller cam bearings in a REAL street car.

[cobrashoch]

Burgs - Genesis aluminum FE blocks are made right here in Indy. I can't get a good answer from them on both the cost of M.T. blocks and their weights. I have seen them both however, and there is quite a bit of extra metal cast into those blocks. I'm sure the iron block will weigh in more than the production 428/390 block, or even a SO block, but just how much is the question.
Keith Craft is doing some really good stuff with FE's right now I hear. Good luck on your project.
Craig - I think both motorsports aluminum 385 blocks are set up for normal cam bearings (at least mine is), but have the extra cam webbing, and lifter height. That is what they mean when they say it is set up for a roller I'd bet. BTW - Last years summer project (the HEMI car) turned out dynimite. I plan to get back to my Cobra soon, as I have had to deal with some family stuff this winter and it seems to have taken all my time. So much for retirement! I did manage to fab up and stuff the new Coan glide though. The NHRA made me change my roll bar too this year, and I just about have that fab'd up too. I ain't seen nothing like it on any Cobra I've ever seen either.
later,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
cobrashock