Roush Engine Warranty Exclusions.

[JWilly]

[b]Got the Bug[b]- My 402R is reliable, does not overheat, sounds great, crazy fast, gets 15+ mpg and burns no oil.

[razerwire]

I started to think about my cars and my friends cars, both finished and under construction and every one has fuel injection or will have. I'm talking about a wide range of engines. 59 corvette with ls7, 55 chevy , 49 mercury, zo6 corvette, twin turbo dune buggy, both my cobras, my sons 76 cj7 jeep and you could go on and on. All have check engine light and plug in port to check codes. Also with the exception of the inline 6 in the cj7 jeep of my son, none of the others use oil . The cj7 has a stroked crank and I suspect the pistons are the problem, uses a quart of oil about 2000 miles. The pistons were custom made 20 years ago or so, 8 sets were ordered at the time to get price break, and these were the last set used in this engine. Not happy and not except-able in this day and age.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

I think oil consumption is obvious different from car to car, build an aftermarket engine with any power adder, turbo, supercharge, or nitrious and use a carb and then use efi and then come talk to me, efi is far far superior, Kyroyer engines builds some of the finest efi engines around at a cost but they work like a dream, its a fact carbs work, efi works better, not these self learning systems I mean real tunable efi...

You must read posts more carefully. I didn't say carbs are superior to EFI.

You said bad EFI setups are better than carbs. I said most folks would argue that point.

I said that there aren't many, if any, on ClubCobra with EFI that works properly 100% of the time.

And I said if they work properly, look good aesthetically, and aren't priced stratospherically, then I'll buy it and install it.

How many here on ClubCobra with a Kroyer or "Kyroyer" engines? Please let me here from you. Do you have EFI? How's it working for you?

[jhv48]

And away we go!

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

You must read posts more carefully. I didn't say carbs are superior to EFI.

You said bad EFI setups are better than carbs. I said most folks would argue that point.

I said that there aren't many, if any, on ClubCobra with EFI that works properly 100% of the time.

And I said if they work properly, look good aesthetically, and aren't priced stratospherically, then I'll buy it and install it.

How many here on ClubCobra with a Kroyer or "Kyroyer" engines? Please let me here from you. Do you have EFI? How's it working for you?

I have one and it works awesome, thanks for asking...and any 8 stack efi looks pretty cool and aesthetic...

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

I have one and it works awesome, thanks for asking...and any 8 stack efi looks pretty cool and aesthetic...

Please post a video for us. I would like to hear it go through the gears.

I'd also like to see your "aesthetic" setup.

[ItBites]

RodKnock,

My engine(s) has run a Haltech EFI since 1996 (thats right 1996). When I switched from the little 427 to the 540 a few years ago, I did have it retuned for WOT on the dyno (540 rwhp). I also did about 2 weeks of driveability tuning after that and it has run great again for about 4 years. As far as going thru the gears, I do it all the time and the car runs mid 10s on pump gas and street tires (does yours?). You have no business arguing that EFI doesn't work well. All the OEMS can produce 600HP and have great driveability with EFI. However there are a lot of folks living in the past that do not understand the systems well enough to tune them and won't take the time to think the systems through who will never figure them out. These folks are the complainers - if you don't understand, complain - forget learning something... Anyway, EFI works great if you understand it, in fact mine is really simple to make corrections with a laptop, you just have to be able to use the laptop

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ItBites

RodKnock,

You have no business arguing that EFI doesn't work well.

You didn't read and/or understand a word I said. So, a response is superfluous.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ItBites

RAs far as going thru the gears, I do it all the time and the car runs mid 10s on pump gas and street tires (does yours?).

Oops! I did want to respond to one item in your post.

I've never run my Cobra in the 1/4 mile. It's likely I won't either.

But, let's race the old fashioned way. Like cavemen. Forget the cars for a moment and let's race on foot, say 40 yards, a 100 meters, a 5K, a 10K or even a triathlon. I don't care, though my swimming technique needs some work.

[Dimis]

ItBites makes some valid points about the "Good 'ol boys" not having kept up with the EFI tech.
In their defence, they haven't been forced to. Most everywhere else in the world emissions laws have strangled the carb out of existence and forced our hands at adopting the tech.

I had a local expert take a look at a couple photos (and a couple youtube clips) of the old Dynaformance Dynatek system and they pretty much summed up with just that info most of the problems that have historically plagued this system with its set up.
If I new they could bloody do, that I'd have saved myself a ton of research on multiple forums!!!

For anyone who cares - efihardware.com
Throttle Bodies, EFI Fuel Pumps, EFI Regulators, Wolf 3D Engine Management Systems, EFI Hardware
Highly recommended and total pros!


Back on to the topic of Roush.
For mine - You're not on this earth long enough to learn from just your own mistakes.
You need to learn from that of others also.
There have clearly been enough people bitten by Roush engine builds that it just doesn't make sense to knowingly select them as the engine builder of choice.
Particularly as there are alternate options who provide better results, better service and at a lower price.
Brent @ B2 Motorsports would be one example.

For those of you who are happy with your Roush, good for you.
But they have little to no chance of getting me to part with my hard earned!


PS:

Originally Posted by RodKnock

But, let's race the old fashioned way. Like cavemen. Forget the cars for a moment and let's race on foot, say 40 yards, a 100 meters, a 5K, a 10K or even a triathlon. I don't care, though my swimming technique needs some work.

Count me in! I'm up for that...
Just as long as the race doesn't call for any Yoga poses

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Dimis

PS:
Count me in! I'm up for that...
Just as long as the race doesn't call for any Yoga poses

No "downward facing dog", but there will be a pre and post race cogitation.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Dimis

For those of you who are happy with your Roush, good for you. But they have little to no chance of getting me to part with my hard earned!

I agree. I think I bought my 482 in 2008 and I believe there was ample anecdotal evidence that a Roush engine wouldn't be a good pick for me.

[ItBites]

Rodknock, you could be a lawyer (or my 12 year old) if you're not already... I did read your posts and drew summary conclusions, and while you didn't say it out-right, I reasonably concluded that EFI is not good enough for you. I can infer this because you don't have it and you stated you would buy it when it meets your criteria. The first of your stated criteria was "if they work properly" - I did use the wording "doesn't work well", but a little literary license could allow a reasonable reader to conclude that "properly" and "well" might be interchangeable? I would submit that your response here would be superfluous not because my assertion was so far off-base, but because you have no real experience or expertise in the subject matter. Hmmm?

Further, I appreciate you would like us both to race like cavemen; it is congruent with your stone-age choice of combustible mixture metering device feeding your engine.. Haha

And to follow that, I think you might be surprised... I am likely a lot younger and in better shape than you are assuming. I do run a pretty mean 40. But lets keep it to Cobras on this "Cobra" site, shall we?

Finally, its probably best you don't ever run that car in the 1/4 mile or on any racetrack.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ItBites

Rodknock, you could be a lawyer (or my 12 year old) if you're not already... I did read your posts and drew summary conclusions, and while you didn't say it out-right, I reasonably concluded that EFI is not good enough for you. I can infer this because you don't have it and you stated you would buy it when it meets your criteria. The first of your stated criteria was "if they work properly" - I did use the wording "doesn't work well", but a little literary license could allow a reasonable reader to conclude that "properly" and "well" might be interchangeable? I would submit that your response here would be superfluous not because my assertion was so far off-base, but because you have no real experience or expertise in the subject matter. Hmmm?

Further, I appreciate you would like us both to race like cavemen; it is congruent with your stone-age choice of combustible mixture metering device feeding your engine.. Haha

And to follow that, I think you might be surprised... I am likely a lot younger and in better shape than you are assuming. I do run a pretty mean 40. But lets keep it to Cobras on this "Cobra" site, shall we?

Finally, its probably best you don't ever run that car in the 1/4 mile or on any racetrack.

So you didn't read carefully or carefully enough, because I would add EFI to my car, but I have my own criteria for EFI. If it looks great, it's plug & play, runs flawlessly 99.99% of time (even carbs have issues from time to time) and is within the ballpark of reasonableness in terms of price, then I'm a buyer. I thought about buying the old Dynatek system, because it looked like Webers, but all I heard about were the problems, setup, tuning and long term reliability. The other type of EFI that I looked into was the TWM setup, but the exposed fuel rails made the setup less than pleasing to me in terms of aesthetics. After that, I gave up on the idea.

Am I technically gifted or an expert in anything as it relates to cars and/or EFI? No. And I don't really care to be. There's more to life.

And I likely won't hit the drag strip any time soon, but it's not because of ability or lack thereof, or even worrying about hurting the Kirkham. It boils down to time. And the allocation of that precious resource.

If folks bring up their 1/4 times, it what would seem like an effort to brag about themselves and their cars, then hey, I'll bring up other types of racing, including by foot. I could be older than you, but I'm not "old."

The bottom line is, EFI is clearly a better form of fuel metering, but I would have to find a setup that meets my criteria. And while I'm waiting, I love the form, originality and functionality of the carb and turkey pan on my FE.

[ERA Chas]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

The bottom line is, EFI is clearly a better form of fuel metering, but I would have to find a setup that meets my criteria. And while I'm waiting, I love the form, originality and functionality of the carb and turkey pan on my FE.

I think having owned a 540 mid-year Vette plus a KMP done right makes you vastly qualified to have such an opinion. Laps on the 1/4 aren't needed for insight.
Yes it's a superior way to meter fuel Ed (if set correctly) and works well for your satisfaction but it's not for all of us.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

I think having owned a 540 mid-year Vette plus a KMP done right makes you vastly qualified to have such an opinion. Laps on the 1/4 aren't needed for insight.

My rollercam 540 was an awesome running engine. I truly miss that motor.

But I don't miss my '66 Vette Convertible anywhere near as much, which is where the 540 was installed.

[ACademic]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

My rollercam 540...'66 Vette Convertible...which is where the 540 was installed.

And ditto on prior comments about spending my hard earned dough on Roush engines. Not going to happen.

[ItBites]

Yes ERA Chas and Rodknock, you are both vastly qualified to have an opinion. You know the saying about opinions... Hahahaha ;D

On the other hand: A 540 eh? Possibly the best normally-aspirated engine combination ever for bore/stroke and head flow abilities to produce reliable monster street power. Your stock has just increased incrementally.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by ItBites

Yes ERA Chas and Rodknock, you are both vastly qualified to have an opinion. You know the saying about opinions... Hahahaha ;D

On the other hand: A 540 eh? Possibly the best normally-aspirated engine combination ever for bore/stroke and head flow abilities to produce reliable monster street power. Your stock has just increased incrementally.

Dude, you've lost me here... I don't understand your angel??
What does this have to do with either Roush, efi or the price of fish in central Africa?

FWIW - I highly value ERAChas & Rodnock's opinions.
For mine their track history on cc qualifies them to an opinion on even fish prices in Africa.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Dimis

FWIW - I highly value ERAChas & Rodnock's opinions.
For mine their track history on cc qualifies them to an opinion on even fish prices in Africa.

I would definitely value Chas's opinion far more than mine. He's much more learned when it comes to fish futures on the Congolese futures market than I.

Back on topic once again. Does Roush still sell engines? Last I heard, I think from the esteemed gentleman from Vintage Motorsports (Backdraft dealer) that Roush engines were not being sold in the same numbers as previous years since there is/was a plethora of other engine builders doing good jobs.