Powermaster Starter not Engaging Flywheel

[Texasdoc]

As best as I can tell from the picture, basically you are bypassing this solenoid, right? Since you have the battery terminal and the starter terminal on the same post, and nothing in the left post, it is not working as a solenoid.

Since the PowerMaster has a built in solenoid, you could remove this remote solenoid and do without. Or, if it is working, leave it alone.

[Gaz64]

Originally Posted by Texasdoc

As best as I can tell from the picture, basically you are bypassing this solenoid, right? Since you have the battery terminal and the starter terminal on the same post, and nothing in the left post, it is not working as a solenoid.

Since the PowerMaster has a built in solenoid, you could remove this remote solenoid and do without. Or, if it is working, leave it alone.

Yes exactly right.
This remote solenoid is not functioning as a heavy current switch with both heavy cables on one post. Effectively it is now a big mounting block.
Remote solenoids are really meant for bendix drive starter motors, not solenoid equipped starter motors.

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by Gaz64

Yes exactly right.
This remote solenoid is not function as a heavy current switch with both heavy cables on one post. Effectively it is now a big mounting block.
Remote solenoids are really meant for bendix drive starter motors, not solenoid equipped starter motors.

That's how my Summit Protorque starter is now wired - you're essentially turning the remote solenoid into a junction block. Summit claims the solenoid on the starter is stronger than the Ford-style remote solenoid.

Summit wiring diagram: https://static.summitracing.com/glob...sum-820048.pdf

BTW, that's not how I found it. Whoever installed the starter left the Ford-style remote solenoid in place, wired normally, then ran a small jumper from the heavy cable post on the starter to the solenoid - essentially running both solenoids in series. Just one of the many goofy things I've found and fixed on this car.

[Gaz64]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

That's how my Summit Protorque starter is now wired - you're essentially turning the remote solenoid into a junction block. Summit claims the solenoid on the starter is stronger than the Ford-style remote solenoid.

Summit wiring diagram: https://static.summitracing.com/glob...sum-820048.pdf

BTW, that's not how I found it. Whoever installed the starter left the Ford-style remote solenoid in place, wired normally, then ran a small jumper from the heavy cable post on the starter to the solenoid - essentially running both solenoids in series. Just one of the many goofy things I've found and fixed on this car.

Good move to remove it. Two solenoids effectively in tandem operation are twice as likely for a no crank condition, more components, more chance of failure.

[ACHiPo]

Originally Posted by Texasdoc

As best as I can tell from the picture, basically you are bypassing this solenoid, right? Since you have the battery terminal and the starter terminal on the same post, and nothing in the left post, it is not working as a solenoid.

Since the PowerMaster has a built in solenoid, you could remove this remote solenoid and do without. Or, if it is working, leave it alone.

Yep, the remote solenoid is acting as a junction for power, but I am using it as a relay for the all-important starter signal.

[Gaz64]

Originally Posted by ACHiPo

Yep, the remote solenoid is acting as a junction for power, but I am using it as a relay for the all-important starter signal.

That is not relay now.

I can't see why the solenoid coil terminals have four wires.

If you want to keep the solenoid, think about what is is really going on here.
To me the black wire on the LH post goes to the starter solenoid, so which wire is the start signal wire, and then what are the other two for?

This would be more appropriate:

http://www.novaresource.org/starter.htm

Gary

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by Gaz64

That is not relay now.

I can't see why the solenoid coil terminals have four wires.

If you want to keep the solenoid, think about what is is really going on here.
To me the black wire on the LH post goes to the starter solenoid, so which wire is the start signal wire, and then what are the other two for?

This would be more appropriate:

NovaResource - Remote Starter Solenoid Installation

Gary

Ford Solenoid:
A: Battery
B: Switched battery current when starting
S: Ignition switch 'start' position
I: 12V current for coil for starting (full voltage instead of reduced voltage normally supplied when ballast resistor is used)

[Gaz64]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

Ford Solenoid:
A: Battery
B: Switched battery current when starting
S: Ignition switch 'start' position
I: 12V current for coil for starting (full voltage instead of reduced voltage normally supplied when ballast resistor is used)

Thanks Brian,

I see that now.

That's if he is using a ballast resistor ignition, no mention of that yet.

Gary