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01-20-2009, 07:48 AM
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explanation of question
My question is. What engine do you use if you want to legaly registor a kit cobra in California for they have the same pollution demands as here in Europe.
So I am looking for a ford V8 crate engine witch I can install in a Unique 289 fia witch will pas the emission "four gas" test.
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01-20-2009, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by #142
My question is. What engine do you use if you want to legaly registor a kit cobra in California for they have the same pollution demands as here in Europe. So I am looking for a ford V8 crate engine witch I can install in a Unique 289 fia witch will pas the emission "four gas" test.
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The gentleman is located in Europe. We here in California have a program available that allows 500 kit cars to be registered each year without current emission controls. If you do not get one of these 500 exemptions, then the kit car must meet current 2008 or 2009 emission standards. |
01-20-2009, 03:35 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: FFR, V8, Manual Trans, Htr, Wipers, Radio Delete
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The answer to your question #142 is, the animal you seek doesn't exist. The only way to pass current smog regulations is with all the modern hardware. i.e. OEM fuel injection, computer, egr, cats, etc. All of it. Using a carburetor against current smog standards is a guaranteed fail. Buying a long block and then running around trying to acquire all the stuff required to allow it to pass smog would cost a fortune and then might not pass anyway because you didn't get something right. The most cost effective way to approach this is with a good donor that was running and registered prior to hitting that tree. You could rebuild the engine if necessary and keep everything basically stock (you could probably upgrade to Ford X heads without upsetting the smog gods) and be on your way for reasonable $$.
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01-25-2009, 01:24 PM
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thanks for the info
I thank all of you how posted a reaction. I think I will have to go with a newer engine than it will distroi underbonet looks but I plan to do the rest according to the original specs of an 298 fia.
So I will look for a 5.0 crammer with its original 5 speed manual box for I hate to think of a GM unit. I even rather go for a Toyota V8.
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01-25-2009, 03:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by #142
My question is. What engine do you use if you want to legaly registor a kit cobra in California for they have the same pollution demands as here in Europe.
So I am looking for a ford V8 crate engine witch I can install in a Unique 289 fia witch will pas the emission "four gas" test.
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The difference between Europe and California may be that California offers a number of waivers (SB100) each year for kit cars, and it appears that your country in Europe does not. Those cars that receive a waiver (easy to get) do not have to comply with California's normal pollution requirements.
Every Cobra replica owner I know - or have heard - of in California has an SB100 waiver, meaning they never had to deal with the problem in the way you are trying to.
There is an England Club forum on this site. You may try to IM some of its members and see if they have any experience closer to home that may help.
Good luck. |
01-26-2009, 09:49 AM
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The difference between Europe and California may be that California offers a number of waivers (SB100) each year for kit cars, and it appears that your country in Europe does not. Those cars that receive a waiver (easy to get) do not have to comply with California's normal pollution requirements.
Every Cobra replica owner I know - or have heard - of in California has an SB100 waiver, meaning they never had to deal with the problem in the way you are trying to.
There is an England Club forum on this site. You may try to IM some of its members and see if they have any experience closer to home that may help.
Good luck.
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Again......
The only CARB LEGAL shortblock available is the Coast High Performance Street Fighter.
http://www.coasthigh.com/product-p/1...f-f347e-sb.htm
While you do have to run a CARB legal head and intake...along with everything else required in your car...you will pass California smog. I did a magazine article a few years ago with this SB and legal bolt ons that made 410 at the flywheel.
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01-26-2009, 10:30 AM
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The only CARB LEGAL shortblock available is the Coast High Performance Street Fighter.
http://www.coasthigh.com/product-p/1...f-f347e-sb.htm
While you do have to run a CARB legal head and intake...along with everything else required in your car...you will pass California smog. I did a magazine article a few years ago with this SB and legal bolt ons that made 410 at the flywheel. |
Mark,
This still wouldn't fly. You can't smog by the block in California anymore. If you register a special construction vehicle in CA, it will have to meet all of the smog specifications/requirements for the year it is registered (i.e. catalytic converters).
The CHP website indicates that the motor is "perfect for a late model Mustang slated for daily use. Best of all, this short block is 50 state legal for emission controlled 1988-1995 Ford Mustangs originally equipped with 5.0L V8 engines!"
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No stop signs, speed limit - Nobody's gonna slow me down - Like a wheel, gonna spin it
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01-26-2009, 02:31 PM
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Mark,
This still wouldn't fly. You can't smog by the block in California anymore. If you register a special construction vehicle in CA, it will have to meet all of the smog specifications/requirements for the year it is registered (i.e. catalytic converters).
The CHP website indicates that the motor is "perfect for a late model Mustang slated for daily use. Best of all, this short block is 50 state legal for emission controlled 1988-1995 Ford Mustangs originally equipped with 5.0L V8 engines!"
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He asked for a CARB legal short block...in Europe...it fills that bill. |
01-26-2009, 02:32 PM
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Mark,
This still wouldn't fly. You can't smog by the block in California anymore. If you register a special construction vehicle in CA, it will have to meet all of the smog specifications/requirements for the year it is registered (i.e. catalytic converters).
The CHP website indicates that the motor is "perfect for a late model Mustang slated for daily use. Best of all, this short block is 50 state legal for emission controlled 1988-1995 Ford Mustangs originally equipped with 5.0L V8 engines!"
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When I registered my Backdraft car in California....it took seven months.....they didn't care what engine was in it and it had only a PCV valve. |
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