Mark III Build

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

What I am saying is that I am unaware (and I have also talked to a Superformance veteran who has eons more experience than I and he has not seen a fire) and we have not seen a fire on the fresh air vent hose. And that includes some cars with serious track time on them. Now, a hose going to the brake rotor is a different kettle of fish.

Is it better to have a silicone hose that is heat resistant? Sure. Is it required? No. and the Kirkhams seem to agree as does Shelby American as they use a similar (in the case of Hi Tech built Shelby's, identical) hose and no one I am aware of has posted a fire issue.

Everyone is offering "upgrades" and "improvements" to Bill and some he may well want but unless you understand what he want to do with his car and what he is looking for it is just that, well intentioned advice and he is free to accept or reject as he sees fit.

Obviously, Bill can do whatever he wants to do. Everyone has their own metric for safety. However, Morris has spent most of his time/life at the track. His advice is valued here. I'm not sure why you're crapping on his advice.

Most members here at CC have NOT. They're posers like me.

So, our experience, or lack thereof, is skewed towards non-racing applications. The people at Hall Fab & Racing (i.e., racers) made the same suggestion to me, replace the crappy hose. So, I ditched what Kirkham gave me back in 2007.

You said yourself. "Is it better to have a silicone hose that is heat resistant? Sure."

Some people think two roll bars make their Cobra safer, but then, forget an inertia switch for the fuel pump, to turn the pump off, when the car flips over. It's all a matter safety and tolerance.

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Obviously, Bill can do whatever he wants to do. Everyone has their own metric for safety. However, Morris has spent most of his time/life at the track. His advice is valued here. I'm not sure why you're crapping on his advice.

Most members here at CC have NOT. They're posers like me.

So, our experience, or lack thereof, is skewed towards non-racing applications. The people at Hall Fab & Racing (i.e., racers) made the same suggestion to me, replace the crappy hose. So, I ditched what Kirkham gave me back in 2007.

You said yourself. "Is it better to have a silicone hose that is heat resistant? Sure."

Some people think two roll bars make their Cobra safer, but then, forget an inertia switch for the fuel pump, to turn the pump off, when the car flips over. It's all a matter safety and tolerance.

Not crapping on you or Morris' advice. Just that I am not aware of any fires on an SPF with the plastic hose including a Mark III that ran the "One Lap of America" with the standard setup. Is silicone better? Sure but consider what the purchaser wants to do with his car. He will not be running long open track events and driving 10/10s. Autocrossing is unlikely to generate the heat levels needed to radiate enough heat to melt the hose. Obviously the photo is of a serious track beast judging by the rotor and the double cooling hoses.

The advice IS appreciated however some people work on the "I did it to my car so you MUST do it to yours" or "I bought the XYZ sway bar kit and now I can go around the I370 off-ramps at warp speed" without considering what the owner is looking for.

And no inertia switch required with a mechanical fuel pump however a check valve in the tank vent line is always a good idea to prevent hi-test baths.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

Not crapping on you or Morris' advice. Just that I am not aware of any fires on an SPF with the plastic hose including a Mark III that ran the "One Lap of America" with the standard setup. Is silicone better? Sure but consider what the purchaser wants to do with his car. He will not be running long open track events and driving 10/10s. Autocrossing is unlikely to generate the heat levels needed to radiate enough heat to melt the hose. Obviously the photo is of a serious track beast judging by the rotor and the double cooling hoses.

The advice IS appreciated however some people work on the "I did it to my car so you MUST do it to yours" or "I bought the XYZ sway bar kit and now I can go around the I370 off-ramps at warp speed" without considering what the owner is looking for.

Yes, you did crap on his advice and that's why Morris responded the way he did. We both saw it as crapping on his advice. That's our perception, yours obviously is different.

My shop recommended changing the hoses too, and the Kirkhams don't meander in the fenderwell like that pic shown, and I do not autocross or track my car. Makes perfect sense to me. But please, lets just rely on your vast experience in SPF sales as opoosed to someone who has actually spent time at a track, which is what the OP plans to do.

[Detroit Bill]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yes, you did crap on his advice and that's why Morris responded the way he did. We both saw it as crapping on his advice. That's our perception, yours obviously is different.

My shop recommended changing the hoses too, and the Kirkhams don't meander in the fenderwell like that pic shown, and I do not autocross or track my car. Makes perfect sense to me. But please, lets just rely on your vast experience in SPF sales as opoosed to someone who has actually spent time at a track, which is what the OP plans to do.

Lighten up fella's. Turning a "fun" thread into a pissing contest.

[JLip]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yes, you did crap on his advice and that's why Morris responded the way he did. We both saw it as crapping on his advice. That's our perception, yours obviously is different.

My shop recommended changing the hoses too, and the Kirkhams don't meander in the fenderwell like that pic shown, and I do not autocross or track my car. Makes perfect sense to me. But please, lets just rely on your vast experience in SPF sales as opoosed to someone who has actually spent time at a track, which is what the OP plans to do.

I don't know either of you and neither one of you know me.....but I do know one thing ...... I've followed Mark IV for quite some time and never once have read where he's crapped on any review. He just happens to know what he's talking about and from the history many seem to agree. Just my two cents worth. By the way ...... Good luck with the build......It looks Beautiful and can't wait to hear more about the Beast!!!

[NRP/MN]

Bill, sent you a pm.