Texas ASVE Title and the VTR-63 Form?

[SSSammy]

This is a really narrow question. I expect there are a couple people in TX who have gone through the new title process with a NEW ASSEMBLED VEHICLE, not previously titled, and used this form.

I have been parsing the recently published ASSEMBLED and REBUILT VEHICLE MANUAL so I can prepare the mountain of evidence needed to title a new GT40, built from a rolling chassis manufactured in South Africa.

One of the pieces of evidence is a "VTR-63 Component Part Bill of Sale" - which is required for the motor of the vehicle. My question is: Did you use this form for your brand new motor? The form implies that the component came from another vehicle, and asks for the old car's VIN and the signature of the person who sold it to you. How did you fill that out for a new aftermarket purchased motor? In the past I have used the engine builder's invoice to prove ownership of the motor.

Sam

[ram_g]

Originally Posted by SSSammy

This is a really narrow question. I expect there are a couple people in TX who have gone through the new title process with a NEW ASSEMBLED VEHICLE, not previously titled, and used this form.

I have been parsing the recently published ASSEMBLED and REBUILT VEHICLE MANUAL so I can prepare the mountain of evidence needed to title a new GT40, built from a rolling chassis manufactured in South Africa.

One of the pieces of evidence is a "VTR-63 Component Part Bill of Sale" - which is required for the motor of the vehicle. My question is: Did you use this form for your brand new motor? The form implies that the component came from another vehicle, and asks for the old car's VIN and the signature of the person who sold it to you. How did you fill that out for a new aftermarket purchased motor? In the past I have used the engine builder's invoice to prove ownership of the motor.

Sam

I followed the new process very recently to title and register my FFR Roadster, powered by a new crate engine from Forte's. I filled in the VTR-63 with the statement "Purchased new, see invoice" and attached the invoice. Seemed to work, received my Custom Vehicle plates and TX title with no issues.

[dallas_]

Sam,
I'm going through that process also. I understand that an invoice for a new motor satisfies the requirement.

[am9648]

I about to go through this process to register my new Backdraft.

Anyone used the new HB-890 process?

[G-Pete]

I answered all of Sam's questions a few weeks ago already. am9648 what do you need to know?

[SSSammy]

So with G-Pete's guidance, I plan to go forward with:
VTR-61 Rebuilt Vehicle Statement, bearing the signature of Dennis Olthoff as the assembler, plus the invoices for chassis, motor, trans,
VTR-130U Title Application,
VTR-852 ASE Inspection augmented by the ASE Certification print out from the inspector,
certified weight certificate,
a photo or rubbing of the VIN plate,
3 photos of my car,
1 photo of an original 1966 car,
MCO (whew!)

I'm seeing the ASE mechanic on Monday to get the VTR-852 and his ASE report, then it's on to the Collin County Title Office

I will report back

Sam

Here's a peep at the object in question:

[dallas_]

Originally Posted by SSSammy

I'm seeing the ASE mechanic on Monday to get the VTR-852 and his ASE report, then it's on to the Collin County Title Office

Sam,
Can't wait to see your car in person!

I need the same form signed. Where are you going to get it done?

[damdfw]

Dang Sam.... That is not a little bit awesome... that is a big bit awesome..

Wow...

Originally Posted by SSSammy

So with G-Pete's guidance, I plan to go forward with:
VTR-61 Rebuilt Vehicle Statement, bearing the signature of Dennis Olthoff as the assembler, plus the invoices for chassis, motor, trans,
VTR-130U Title Application,
VTR-852 ASE Inspection augmented by the ASE Certification print out from the inspector,
certified weight certificate,
a photo or rubbing of the VIN plate,
3 photos of my car,
1 photo of an original 1966 car,
MCO (whew!)

I'm seeing the ASE mechanic on Monday to get the VTR-852 and his ASE report, then it's on to the Collin County Title Office

I will report back

Sam

Here's a peep at the object in question:

[SSSammy]

Originally Posted by am9648

I about to go through this process to register my new Backdraft.

Anyone used the new HB-890 process?

Yes, we are discussing that process, which leads to the "Custom Vehicle" registration.

Sam

[am9648]

G-Pete

I did not see your reply to Sam.

I am curious how difficult it is to register as a custom car. How much paperwork is involved? One form calls for an ASE cert inspector but I have also read they have to be a "master" mech.

[SSSammy]

Originally Posted by am9648

G-Pete

I did not see your reply to Sam.

I am curious how difficult it is to register as a custom car. How much paperwork is involved? One form calls for an ASE cert inspector but I have also read they have to be a "master" mech.

Let me give a comprehensive answer, please. There is now only one prescribed way for you to register your new BDR according to current TX DMV regs. The DMV has embodied the guidance from the legislature in the Assembled and Rebuilt Vehicle Manual (see the link in the first post above). You need to download that and read the portions that pertain to assembled vehicles and custom vehicles. Your BDR will become a Custom Vehicle, Replica 1965 Ford, with a year of manufacture as called out by your MSO/MCO, and manufacturer as stated on the MSO/MCO.

The DMV is very strict in the manual .. The VTR 852 for a new assembled vehicle must be signed by an ASE Certified Master Technician who is current in categories A1 through A8. The technician must provide you with a print out of his certificate status report that shows he is current in all 8 categories (that is what makes him a Master technician).

The steps are in this order:
Get an insurance card that describes the car as a "1965 Ford 2DR Roadster (or Convertible) Replica."
Go to the county title clerk and get a 30 day paper tag so you can legally drive the car to the ASE inspection and certified public scales.
Have the ASE inspection done and VTR 852 signed (the ASE will need to see the insurance card)
Have the car weighed and get a weight certificate at a truck stop

Proceed to the county title and registration office with the following:
VTR-61 Rebuilt Vehicle Statement, bearing the signature of the assembler, plus the invoices for chassis, motor, trans,
VTR-130U Title Application, description exactly per the MSO
VTR-852 ASE Inspection augmented by the ASE Certification print out from the inspector,
VTR-63 Component Part Bill of Sale,
Weight certificate,
Photo or rubbing of the VIN plate,
3 photos of your car,
1 photo of an original 1965 Cobra,
MSO
Your checkbook.

As far as DMV is concerned, you are titling a new assembled vehicle that you purchased as a collection of components. Never mind how it seems to have arrived in your possession as a complete automobile. The presumption is that any sales tax due on these components has already been paid by you when you bought them. So there is no 6.25% vehicle sales tax due on a car registered in this way. Now if you bought a previously registered car with a title, then it is a different story. That would be a used car and tax is due.

None of this is difficult. Tedious, yes. Pain in the posterior, yes. If you can do your Federal Income Tax, this is not hard. Stupid? Sure. Good luck! Report back on how it went so others can learn ...

Sam

[am9648]

Thanks SSSammy and ram-g.

I guess I have some work ahead of me.

Originally Posted by SSSammy

Let me give a comprehensive answer, please. There is now only one prescribed way for you to register your new BDR according to current TX DMV regs. The DMV has embodied the guidance from the legislature in the Assembled and Rebuilt Vehicle Manual (see the link in the first post above). You need to download that and read the portions that pertain to assembled vehicles and custom vehicles. Your BDR will become a Custom Vehicle, Replica 1965 Ford, with a year of manufacture as called out by your MSO/MCO, and manufacturer as stated on the MSO/MCO.

The DMV is very strict in the manual .. The VTR 852 for a new assembled vehicle must be signed by an ASE Certified Master Technician who is current in categories A1 through A8. The technician must provide you with a print out of his certificate status report that shows he is current in all 8 categories (that is what makes him a Master technician).

The steps are in this order:
Get an insurance card that describes the car as a "1965 Ford 2DR Roadster (or Convertible) Replica."
Go to the county title clerk and get a 30 day paper tag so you can legally drive the car to the ASE inspection and certified public scales.
Have the ASE inspection done and VTR 852 signed (the ASE will need to see the insurance card)
Have the car weighed and get a weight certificate at a truck stop

Proceed to the county title and registration office with the following:
VTR-61 Rebuilt Vehicle Statement, bearing the signature of the assembler, plus the invoices for chassis, motor, trans,
VTR-130U Title Application, description exactly per the MSO
VTR-852 ASE Inspection augmented by the ASE Certification print out from the inspector,
Weight certificate,
Photo or rubbing of the VIN plate,
3 photos of your car,
1 photo of an original 1965 Cobra,
MSO
Your checkbook.

As far as DMV is concerned, you are titling a new assembled vehicle that you purchased as a collection of components. Never mind how it seems to have arrived in your possession as a complete automobile. The presumption is that any sales tax due on these components has already been paid by you when you bought them. So there is no 6.25% vehicle sales tax due on a car registered in this way. Now if you bought a previously registered car with a title, then it is a different story. That would be a used car and tax is due.

None of this is difficult. Tedious, yes. Pain in the posterior, yes. If you can do your Federal Income Tax, this is not hard. Stupid? Sure. Good luck! Report back on how it went so others can learn ...

Sam

[dallas_]

Originally Posted by SSSammy

Go to the county title clerk and get a 30 day paper tag so you can legally drive the car to the ASE inspection and certified public scales.

[EDIT] Never mind. I was able to get it done on-line. I input the serial number and it took. Printed up the temporary tag and now I'm good to go. Thanks!

As the Staples button says "THAT WAS EASY!"

Sam,
What info do you need to get the 30 day tag?
I tried to get the form on-line but it required a VIN number.

Thanks,
John

[SSSammy]

Originally Posted by dallas_

[EDIT] Never mind. I input the serial number and it took. Printed it up and I'm good to go. Thanks!

As the Staples button says "THAT WAS EASY!"

Sam,
What info do you need to get the 30 day tag?
I tried to get the form on-line but it required a VIN number.

Thanks,
John

Well, great! They did ask me for my insurance card, that's all ...

Sam

[SSSammy]

I struck out at Carr's Corvettes. Their ASE Tech was missing three of the 8 qualifications. Even though I asked the question about three different ways. Finally, when I was about to pull the car into the shop, his light went on and he went and checked his status. No go ...

Try this Firestone, I had success there today and the store manager supervised the inspection. No one drove the GT40 but me, and I stood by during the inspection. Cost $50 plus tax for a thorough inspection that took about an hour. I left him with a copy of the Assembled and Rebuilt Vehicle Manual so he can refer to it with future customers.

Firestone Complete Auto Care
2105 W. 15th St
Plano, TX 75075
972-596-6600
Ask for the manager: Tim Tinsley

With any of these guys, be sure to mention that you are not looking for a "state inspection." You are needing an ASE Master Technician "Custom Vehicle Title and Registration Inspection - VTR 852 form." Whole different deal ...

Sam

[bwcobra15]

Originally Posted by SSSammy

Let me give a comprehensive answer, please. There is now only one prescribed way for you to register your new BDR according to current TX DMV regs. The DMV has embodied the guidance from the legislature in the Assembled and Rebuilt Vehicle Manual (see the link in the first post above). You need to download that and read the portions that pertain to assembled vehicles and custom vehicles. Your BDR will become a Custom Vehicle, Replica 1965 Ford, with a year of manufacture as called out by your MSO/MCO, and manufacturer as stated on the MSO/MCO.

The DMV is very strict in the manual .. The VTR 852 for a new assembled vehicle must be signed by an ASE Certified Master Technician who is current in categories A1 through A8. The technician must provide you with a print out of his certificate status report that shows he is current in all 8 categories (that is what makes him a Master technician).

The steps are in this order:
Get an insurance card that describes the car as a "1965 Ford 2DR Roadster (or Convertible) Replica."
Go to the county title clerk and get a 30 day paper tag so you can legally drive the car to the ASE inspection and certified public scales.
Have the ASE inspection done and VTR 852 signed (the ASE will need to see the insurance card)
Have the car weighed and get a weight certificate at a truck stop

Proceed to the county title and registration office with the following:
VTR-61 Rebuilt Vehicle Statement, bearing the signature of the assembler, plus the invoices for chassis, motor, trans,
VTR-130U Title Application, description exactly per the MSO
VTR-852 ASE Inspection augmented by the ASE Certification print out from the inspector,
VTR-63 Component Part Bill of Sale,
Weight certificate,
Photo or rubbing of the VIN plate,
3 photos of your car,
1 photo of an original 1965 Cobra,
MSO
Your checkbook.

As far as DMV is concerned, you are titling a new assembled vehicle that you purchased as a collection of components. Never mind how it seems to have arrived in your possession as a complete automobile. The presumption is that any sales tax due on these components has already been paid by you when you bought them. So there is no 6.25% vehicle sales tax due on a car registered in this way. Now if you bought a previously registered car with a title, then it is a different story. That would be a used car and tax is due.

None of this is difficult. Tedious, yes. Pain in the posterior, yes. If you can do your Federal Income Tax, this is not hard. Stupid? Sure. Good luck! Report back on how it went so others can learn ...

Sam

Sam,

I'm about to go through this painful process, and want to get some clarification: On the insurance card you say to describe it as "1965 Ford 2DR Roadster (or Convertible) Replica."

Does it have to 1965 Ford, or can it say "1965 Shelby Cobra Roadster Replica". Why FORD and not Shelby? Was Shelby not considered the manufacturer in 1965?

[SSSammy]

Bobby,
Things may have changed in later years, but it used to be that the TX DMV did not have a manufacturer name for "Shelby" and ... the original cars were sold by Ford dealers and were titled as FORD.

The game is: your insurance card vehicle description gets copied by the title clerk onto the temp registration that you use to go get inspected. That is where you assert that your are a 1965 replica of something and therefore exempt from current year inspection criteria. So it is still fine to assert that your are a "Replica 1965 FORD". Have your ins agent make sure that wording appears on your ins card.

With your temp registration and your ins card, go to your ASE Certified Master Technician with the VTR-852 form and prompt him that this will be a "Custom Vehicle". He will do the 14 point roadworthy insp and provide a copy of his personal ASE certificate. The certificate must have him current in all 8 sub-areas of auto competency.

Then bring the certified VTR-852 form and all the other exhibits called for above (read the latest Assembled Vehicle Manual to be sure) to the title clerk. Your MSO will prob define what year they will use. It will be an ASVE, not a Hurricane, as they make all component cars ASVE.

These instructions only apply to the process for "Custom Vehicle" plates on a TX Assembled Vehicle. That is the only correct path to register a new replica in TX. Someone else will cite a different process that they used, and I say fine, whatever worked. But with a Custom Vehicle plate you will never need another inspection.

Just ask if I can help further

Sam

[RockBit]

Originally Posted by bwcobra15

I'm about to go through this painful process

Bob:

Even though it is not required in the manual, the Richardson tax office would not process my application without me getting a law enforcement inspection. I think H-Rod had to get one also. Another $40...

[bwcobra15]

Originally Posted by RockBit

Bob:

Even though it is not required in the manual, the Richardson tax office would not process my application without me getting a law enforcement inspection. I think H-Rod had to get one also. Another $40...

What is a "law enforcement inspection"? I know a Midlothian peace officer I can pay off ...

[am9648]

Regarding the weighing - the MSO's have a weight on them - does this not qualify?