David (kountzecobra) asked to see pictures of the engine I went to see in San Antnio yesterday. I thought the rest of you would like to see it, along with the car in the background...
The engine on the stand is a Shelby block stroked to 482ci with aluminum SOHC (Cammer) heads. The others are Cast Cammers. They are all using custom ground cams and roller rockers from Rocker Arm specialties. I don't know the horsepower but suffice it to say, it is well over a briggs and stratton.
The car int he background is a true GT500 with only 2000 miles on it... 1/4 mile at a time
The rockers and chains are all just on there for the pictures, not yet setup
No- I won't be using the Hillborn... but it will be injected
This is the engine that I watched run on the engine
stand. It barely idled at 1300 rpm... the custom cams are something else (look at the lobes)! Watching it rap to 7500 rpm was incredible (and faster than I have ever heard). It acted like it could go to 10K no problem! not that i want to try that..
Yes, they are the rare aluminum heads. Great when used with the Shelby block!
A little trivia... The full iron cammer weighs 618 lbs and the aluminum version on the stand weigh 480lbs. -
There are more pictures in the pages of my gallery.
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A few ERAs, SPFs, Shelbys, Kirkhams...
Last edited by James Baldwin; 08-11-2003 at 10:09 AM..
Thanks for the kind comments! I only sold the car because I wanted to build another. It was one of the best expereinces of my life.
I actually have had an ERA on order for the past 5 months but still no word of when it will be produced.. I have already warned Peter at ERA about the project.
Keith,
Thanks! but it is not a done deal yet... I am keeping fingers crossed.
Dave,
The engine on the stand has the Shelby block but the other two he is selling do not. They have standard SO blocks. Of course, I don't know if I can afford the Shelby block and injection system.. so I will need to make a choice. There is not much modifaction needed for the Shelby block to accept the heads. You only need to drill the oildrain holes at the back of the block (from the head)
Fred,
Horsepower, anything over 200hp will be fine . Plus, Jeannie's new Cobra will have the new 448 CI small block from Kinsler (about 760hp). I can never keep up with her.
David,
Slabside...hmmmm. I wonder if ERA will change my order to a 289 body???
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Good Lord, James. I used to think the motor in my Lister was hot stuff until people like you and Gary Sharapata came along. Maybe you can use my little small block Chevy as a starter motor for that thing.
I think you need to keep the injection stacks--why be subtle? In fact, why don't you get a set of those staggered injectors like they ran on the Can Am cars...now THAT would be cool.
James,
It looks like Dee will soon be in good company. Knowing you, I figure you will come up with a way to get the whole bundle. This will really make an awesome combination, and the fact that it fills a void in the North Texas TCC branch in the engine arena is just more icing on the cake.
It's just a matter of time, but just picture yourself with a less than 500# cammer pulling you around TMS with us at a Don Barnes track day, or trying to make a corner coming down off the oval out of turn 2 with 700# if iron in front of you ! Sure seems to make the choice easy, if expensive
Your friend,
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I think you need to run the Hilborn FI with tall stacks.
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Ok James,
I got it. we cut the hood scoop out, drill 8 nice holes in it and mount it to the base of the Hillborn stacks. Then the hood closes on top of it like the old mopar shakers. problem solved, run the Hillborn.
Joea,
Idol or laughing stock? I don't know if this is going to be a good idea but I am stupid enough to do it.
Bob,
I'll leave the real horsepower to Gary, Tom, Alan and the rest of the big guns. I will just build another quiet, little motor that gets me from 0-60 in about 10 seconds... very subtle ... On the other hand... where can I get a 3' extensions for each port???
Doesn't that Lister need a FORD Cammer? He has two more.
John,
I really need to contact Dee for advice. This is not going to be an easy task... One of the other engines I found has the Shelby block but iron heads. That is probably going to be the route I take. But I will still miss a few turns on the track with that weight.
Mr. Fixit,
It is tempting!! Actually, it will be a TWM 58mm Induction or dual quad
Where did the original Ford cammer come from, was it ever put into any production cars (gads!) or was it sold directly to racers. Enquiring minds want to know!
The cammer(SOHC) engine was originally built by Ford to race NASCAR - during testing the other auto manufacturers(race teams) soon understood that they could not keep up with or compete with this new engine - hence, NASCAR succombed to the pressure and the engine was outlawed - from there the engines that were produced went to the Ford drag teams on land and sea - the engine was never put in a production automobile - information that I have been able to dig up indicates that there were probably in the neighborhood of 600 of those engines produced - very rare, pricey and totally awesome!!!! That's my opinion anyway...........
PS - the following year Chrysler Corp came out with the NASCAR HEMI - everybody knows how that story goes!!!
The torque is incredible - it's extremely easy to blow the tires off in the first three gears - I've run an alcohol funny car for several years and the torque/force you back in the seat, except for the obvious differences in horsepower, is incredible - very seldom do I ever get into the secondaries - it's not needed and extremely hard to put the power on the ground!!!!
Picture of the next monster...
The car int he background is a true GT500 with only 2000 miles on it... 1/4 mile at a time
No- I won't be using the Hillborn... but it will be injected
Yes, they are the rare aluminum heads. Great when used with the Shelby block!
I can never keep up with her.
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