GM Car that runs on sea water

[Ed Csoltko]

Check this car of the future out:

http://www.youtube.com/v/ry6w3mRm-FM

No more gas problems.

[mj_duell]

Good video. I have spoken about this before:

0-60 in 4 seconds. Say goodbye to the good 'ol days...

Hydrogen is coming, fast. My wife’s deliverable schedule has been greatly shortened and the technology is real and working. The major set back is infrastructure. We need people to vote and call their congressmen to get things moving. Just a suggestion, but buy fuel cell and hydrogen company stocks, I have been doing that for the past few years. Think about the possibilities of no more foreign oil and an almost limitless supply of fuel.


--Mike / Turn Ten Racing, Inc.

[55312]

Right now, it takes more energy to produce the H2 than the H2 yields. Burning it or using a fuel cell to make electricity doesn't change the equation. It's clean but it ain't free. Unless you produce it with wind, tidal or solar power we are no farther ahead............

Tim

[mj_duell]

Originally Posted by 55312

Right now, it takes more energy to produce the H2 than the H2 yields. Burning it or using a fuel cell to make electricity doesn't change the equation. It's clean but it ain't free. Unless you produce it with wind, tidal or solar power we are no farther ahead............

Tim

This is not entirely true and is one of the biggest stumbling blocks for the technology. Hydrogen is the most abundant gas in nature and has many sources. Burning hydrocarbons such as natural gas or coal to produce hydrogen is only one source and yes it is costly. Hydrogen is also a byproduct of some manufacturing processes in certain industries today and could be harnessed as fuel instead of waste. Solar energy and Nuclear energy can also be used to produce the gas. There are also many other viable sources. Basically, no country that had a hydrogen infrastructer for fuel cell cars would need to import hydrogen, especially the U.S. Gm is placing billions of dollars into the program because it is a viable fuel. Only the oil companies and companies who have dollars invested into hydrid technologies say that hydrogen will not work. Something to keep in mind is that when Totota and GM started serious fuel cell programs, Shell oil started Shell Hydrogen and began buying up as many hydrogen producing comapnies as possible. Just my .02, I have learned not to trust everything I read in the media about this subject because of a direct connection to the industry.



--Mike

[wtm442]

I want one. The Atlantic ocean is about 400 ft from my garage.

[392cobra]

Didn't GM and other makes try this last year at this time in New Orleans ?

[Bob In Ct]

Listen up! Nothing is as easy as it sounds. Where is the electric car they promised us 20 year ago? It's still in our future.

The problem is that company presidents and politicians have no training in science. You don't just separate the hydrogen and oxygen in water with tire irons. It take lots and lots of electricity. What you end up with is a very expensive and volatile fuel. Even if it could be made safe it won't anytime soon be made affordable. It won't have the energy of gasoline on a gallon per gallon basis either. It could be that every BTU of energy in hydrogen could require 3 BTUs of some other energy source to produce.

Can I sell you some land in Florida, perhaps a corner lot?

Bob

[Maricopa]

Hydrogen is the most abundant gas in nature

Hydrogen is the most common element, but it doesn't exist in a ready gas form. It has to be split from oxygen. To expound on what Bob said I read recently read that it would take the total output of all the nuke plans we currently use to make enough hydrogen to replace *just* the petroleum we use in vehicles. And that's only a percentage of the total used in industry.

Not tossing water on hydrogen (huh-huh ), I would love for cars to be putting out water vapor instead of hydrocarbons, just pointing out that it isn't a magic bullet.

[Igofastr]

Originally Posted by Maricopa

Hydrogen is the most abundant gas in nature

In some places, Methane is the most common gas.

[Maricopa]

Very true about the methane (especially after lunch). Not so true that I was the one that said hydrogen was the most common.

[mj_duell]

O.K. this will be my last post on the subject seeing you only believe what the media tells you and not someone who has a direct connection to the scientist, documents and companies. There will be more than enough hydrogen production to replace the current oil usage. Period. There is more than one source of hydrogen and it is the most abudant "element" in nature if it makes you feel better. Sorry for the mistake. It is still available from multiple sources. I'm sure that the scientist at GM, one of whom I am married too and that has a PHD from Cornell in the subject, has worked for NASA and the Naval Undersea Warfare department before GM, is a little more qualified to answer. I have been in the cars and I have seen the real plans. Ask the Shell Corporation why its pouring millions into Shell Hydrogen. Time to start questioning the media and the government about few things including Fuel Cells don't you think.

Thanks,

--Mike

[Bob In Ct]

Hey Mike:
Unless you're including the sun and all the other stars I would have to disagree with you on the availability of hydrogen, at least the kind that is ready to go. The hydrogen in the oceans and lakes is already combined with oxygen so it's of little use. We're already burning all the hydrogen combined with carbon in oil, coal and natural gas, So where exactly is all this free hydrogen?


Bob

[Maricopa]

Mike, there's no reason to end the discussion. If we're wrong, or being duped/misled/etc. please let us know (although I can't imagine why the media wouldn't want us to know any of this stuff not to mention Al Gore). I'd be interested in links to these scientists, documents and companies, I have a great interest in hydrogen and other alternative fuels. My electricity bill is around $450 a month in the summer, I'd LOVE to have a fuel cell behind the house.

Also I wasn't trying to bust your chops on the hydrogen gas vs. element thing, I was trying to be clear and feel it's an important distinction.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by mj_duell

Ask the Shell Corporation why its pouring millions into Shell Hydrogen.

Because they got us by the balls for the supply of oil, no matter the cost to get it to us, and they plan to do the same with hydrogen.