jdean status as of Sat 4pm

[RedSabre]

John and Elaine,

We are sending great thoughts of recovery and prayers your way. The Central Texas folks are pulling for you.

Mike

[SSSammy]

Thanks for posting, Jay .. John, keep getting better and do exactly what Elaine says

Sam

[WildThing]

May you have God speed with your recovery.

What on earth happened in the 4th of JULY parade that caused a roll over?

[SSSammy]

As I pointed out in the opening post, the accident that John was involved in was subsequent to the parade. There was no accident in the parade. For good reasons, we will not be rehashing the accident online .. I hope everyone understands and respects this. If John himself wants to start a thread on that when he is able, that is his right.

Sam

[Joe Wicked]

Simply put it is not anyones place to speculate or post what they heard happen. John knows what happened, and he is the only one who knows all the facts. Information is helpful yes, but to get it second hand is not reliable. There are specifics lost, even from someone who saw it happen. From the way I read this, John and Elaine have ASKED the members who were there to not post about the accident. I for one would also choose to respect their wishes. If you really want to know about it, then I suggest sending a message to John and let him reply. I can tell you from the little I know about this local group here, that no matter how many times you ask or how you justify it, the wishes will be followed first and foremost. In other words, the accident information will not come from anyone here. Please respect this and wait for John to post about it, or contact John yourselves.

Thank you,

PS, I was not there, I have not heard anything other than what I have read here. My first thought to Sam's post was 'What happened? How did it happen?' By reading that John asked it to be left alone, I have not asked anyone local as to what happened. Just simple respect for someone.

[Excaliber]

Thre are no good reasons for not rehashing at least the BASICS of how a Cobra accident happened. Such information is valuable to this community and does not infringe on privacy or legal issues. How is it possible a Cobra could flip and the passenger walk away unscathed, for instance? Seat belts? Roll bars? Speed? Curb? Spinout? What?

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Thre are no good reasons for not rehashing at least the BASICS of how a Cobra accident happened. Such information is valuable to this community and does not infringe on privacy or legal issues. How is it possible a Cobra could flip and the passenger walk away unscathed, for instance? Seat belts? Roll bars? Speed? Curb? Spinout? What?

There's some merit to that. I know John only had this car for less than three months and there had been at least a couple of previous owners. Any chance there was a mechanical failure involved?

[CHANMADD]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Thre are no good reasons for not rehashing at least the BASICS of how a Cobra accident happened. Such information is valuable to this community and does not infringe on privacy or legal issues. How is it possible a Cobra could flip and the passenger walk away unscathed, for instance? Seat belts? Roll bars? Speed? Curb? Spinout? What?

I agree wholeheartedly.Thank goodness everyone is OK ,but the facts may help prevent another one like this happening!

[tcrist]

Sounds to me like John would like to be the one to hash it out. His choice!!!

Terry

[392cobra]

No doubt John would never want a similiar thing to ever happen to anyone else.

That being said...It is his story to tell. If he wants the world to know the details,he will tell the world via Club Cobra.

No one on this site has a right to know anything at all about the accident.

I am sure all of us wish John a speedy and complete recovery.

[Gregg(What's his name)?]

Lets John Tell his story if he wishes. Right now I only want his full recovery and the fact that people are wanting to know about the accident instead of John's health, bothers the sh!t out of me. In Texas it is about the people and not the Cars. John we wish you nothing but a speedy and full recovery.

Gregg H

[FST FOX]

Originally Posted by Gregg(What's his name)?

Lets John Tell his story if he wishes. Right now I only want his full recovery and the fact that people are wanting to know about the accident instead of John's health, bothers the sh!t out of me. In Texas it is about the people and not the Cars. John we wish you nothing but a speedy and full recovery.

Gregg H

Very well said, let the man recover and at least get through surgery, I know there is interest in seeing the car and hearing the story but it's not our car or story to tell. Only one who knows all the facts is laying in a hospital bed right now.

[jshel1]

Just returned from seeing John and Elaine at the hospital. They both are in great spirits and John made mention that he feels ready to go home.

He has lots of friends, relatives, and neighbors constantly rolling through. We were greeted by Elaine, John's brother and wife, as well as Parkerpower - Richard, Wanda, and Nathan.

He has been settled into a private room with a wonderful view of the helipad

[WildThing]

I was intrigued by the original post by SSSammy

Originally Posted by SSSammy

As a result of a rollover accident subsequent to the completion of the 4th of July Parade

The vernacular presentation suggested to me that the rollover occured prior to the end of the parade. Alas, during the parade, but before the completion of the parade.

So I was interested in knowing how a roll over could occur in a slow paced parade.

There is nothing wrong with proliferating knowledge about an accident. The goverment has numerous agencies to investigate accidents. The main purpose of these investigations is to gain knowledge to prevent future accidents.

If this accident occured on a public road then we do have a right to inquire as to what occured. Unlike what 392cobra said:

Originally Posted by 392cobra

No one on this site has a right to know anything at all about the accident.

I do not think that anyone on this board has anything but best wishes and heart felt prayers for jdean.

[jayscobras]

If you have such an interest in public events then may I suggest that you try to obtain the accident report.

What part of it did not occur during the parade don't you get.

The incident occured over a mile from the parade after it was over. Why is it so important to you that we chose privacy and the wishes of the family?

I do see that your post count explains why you don't understand and probably justify your curiosity. If John wants the story told he can tell it after he recovers or he can ask me to tell it. I have investigated the accident also and agree with everyone's wishes on what needs or not need to be discussed.

Jay Nordstrom

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by WildThing

So I was interested in knowing how a roll over could occur in a slow paced parade.

These cars are twitchy, and while you can't flip them going real slow, you can easily flip them on flat curves. This video is a perfect example:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/vi...flip/402707078
I remember when John got this particular car, and both Excalibur and I had concerns over its "pedigree." That's why I asked about possible mechanical failure.

[jshel1]

Originally Posted by WildThing

The vernacular presentation suggested to me that the rollover occured prior to the end of the parade. Alas, during the parade, but before the completion of the parade.

Some confusion seems to be centered around the vernacular presentation of "subsequent."


subsequent
–adjective
1. occurring or coming later or after (often fol. by to): subsequent events; Example: Subsequent to their arrival in Chicago, they bought a new car.
2. following in order or succession; Example: a subsequent section in a treaty.
[Origin: 1425–75; late ME < L subsequent- (s. of subsequéns), prp. of subsequī to follow close behind, equiv. to sub- sub- + sequ(ī) to follow + -ent- -ent]



P.S. Well said Mr. Wicked.

[Excaliber]

Let me check.... Yup, public forum, report of an accident, can of worms 'open', now scrambling to put them back, to late, it's 'out there'! You might consider IM's and e-mails next time you guys report a Cobra accident and can't follow through with BASIC information, and then insult anyone who dares to ask.

Good wishes for the family/driver/passenger are in order and well spoken. Now that we got that out of the way, what happened?

[clayfoushee]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Let me check.... Yup, public forum, report of an accident, can of worms 'open', now scrambling to put them back, to late, it's 'out there'! You might consider IM's and e-mails next time you guys report a Cobra accident and can't follow through with BASIC information, and then insult anyone who dares to ask.

Good wishes for the family/driver/passenger are in order and well spoken. Now that we got that out of the way, what happened?

I couldn't disagree more with you, Ernie. The wishes of the family are far more important than the wishes of internet voyeurs.

Give me a break, you and virtually all here, know about the unforgiving nature of these cars. You have no need to know anything about the gory details while the unfortunate victim is still in the hospital.

If Mr. Dean chooses to share the details later, then maybe some will learn something. If he doesn't, then the details would just be heresay, and no one would know anything, now would they?

In the meantime, as Jay said, you can order the accident report as you demand it is in the public domain. I get tired of hearing the "I told you so" experts every time one of these gets reported, and I can totally understand the respect his friends have shown him in letting him tell the story LATER, and after his recovery, if he so chooses.

[Excaliber]

Uh, thats EXACTLY what was posted, 'we know a secret and it's none of your dam business'.