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05-09-2013, 02:27 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Burbs,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #472, Previous owner of ERA #677 427, ERA 289 FIA-USRRC Street
Posts: 221
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Knock-offs won't come off...
Doing this on my phone so I apologize for errors. Shop just called and said they cannot get them off...they are using my Trigo lead hammer. I first asked if they are going in the right direction.
They were off in November at my exhaust shop and he said he used anti-seize.
Any suggestions or tricks! Curt at Trigo said heat but you have to know the trick.
Any help/links is appreciated.
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05-09-2013, 02:33 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Burbs,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #472, Previous owner of ERA #677 427, ERA 289 FIA-USRRC Street
Posts: 221
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They got them off!
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05-09-2013, 02:33 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 427 S/C, Twin Paxton 511 FE
Posts: 2,594
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427 Street,
I have a Trigo hammer and have found it to be on the lighter side of knock-off hammers, IMHO.
The shop doesn't have a slightly heavier lead hammer?
Sorry for not being more of an immediate help.
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05-09-2013, 02:43 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 427 S/C, Twin Paxton 511 FE
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Well?
Let me guess, they were afraid to whack em?
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05-09-2013, 03:53 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Montgomery,
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Cobra Make, Engine: CR 427 S/C, 351W, 5 Sp & KMP142 - 427 SO, 4 Spd
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My 6 lb American lead hammer works just fine. Had one wheel that hadn't
been off in a few years - took a few whacks, but no problem.
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05-09-2013, 03:55 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Burbs,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #472, Previous owner of ERA #677 427, ERA 289 FIA-USRRC Street
Posts: 221
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rodneym
Well?
Let me guess, they were afraid to whack em?
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YOU GOT IT!!!!
My contact there called me up and said..."All of these guys are huddled around your car and our one old-timer walked up and said 'Give me that hammer! You boys don't know how to get these things off!'"
Two hits and they spun off.
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05-09-2013, 09:03 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Gilford,
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Cobra Make, Engine: FFR 302 carb
Posts: 8,121
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Gotta love the old guys...
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05-10-2013, 03:34 AM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Burbs,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #472, Previous owner of ERA #677 427, ERA 289 FIA-USRRC Street
Posts: 221
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikiec
Gotta love the old guys...
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No kidding...we need more old guys
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05-10-2013, 05:39 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Bloomfield Hills,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby, 1964 CSX2367, fully restored, I'm the second owner, SAAC Div 1 Premiere 2003&2012
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Being a fan of wire wheels on cars, and British sports cars, I have lots of wheel stories including a front wheel stripping the splines during hard breaking on an XK150 and almost coming off. One thing I've learned is to use a big dead blow hammer which seems to impart more force without damaging the chrome on the knockoff. Dave
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1964 CSX2367
1938 Jaguar SS100
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1966 Etype roadster
1971 280SE 3.5 Cabriolet
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05-10-2013, 07:28 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Look-a-like cobra POS
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Had an issue with a concours '66 Corvette with original Kelsey Hays KO's. Car was purchased and shown for years before the original style redlines needed to be replaced due to dry rot.
The wheels were frozen to the hubs.
After soaking the assemblies with penetrating oil for a few days and beating the crap out of the spinners we bought the KO adapter that fits over the spinner and hung on it with a 4' breaker bar.........no dice.
Then we tried the appropriate heat and cold (liquid nitrogen) applications to no avail.
So I got creative...........we put a guy in the car to keep his foot on the brakes. Next, using a race jack with the rubber pad insert we carefully put pressure on the appropriate "OFF" direction ear of the spinner. We actually lifted one corner off the ground because it was so stubborn. And THEN hit the opposite ear with the BMF lead hammer...........it took a lot of shots but slowly it released and we were able to get all of them off.
The wheels/hubs never had antiseize applied to the parts.
The final option was not a pretty one if this did not work, ....ah, involving a die grinder, if you know what I mean.
Hope this helps.
Bret.
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03-04-2019, 09:06 AM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 427
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I am close to completing my Cobra. The car has the 6 pin pin-drive wheels. I don't have a lead hammer yet to remove the wheels. I have been using a conventional hammer with a 2 X 4 block on top of the knock off to strike the hammer against. I am wondering rather than a lead hammer, which will deteriorate and need replacement after several uses, would a dead blow hammer work just as well? These can be purchased a Harbor Freight for less than $10. Thoughts and advice?
BD
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03-04-2019, 09:16 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Las Vegas,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby CSX4005LA, Roush 427IR
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Lead. The lead becomes the sacrifice. If you use dead blow the wing becomes sacrifice. Better to replace hammer head than spinner
If you use it that much that you need to rebuild it you're using it too much or tightening too much. You should get 10 times plus or minus on all 4 wheels if you tighten to the pound where the sound changes pitch.
Ps don't forget anti seize
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03-04-2019, 09:31 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Lodi,
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Cobra Make, Engine: 427 manowar forged crank roller rockers . BIG CAM.
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Just want you all to know I tried the dead blow until my hands blistered! a two by four 10 times split every one! purchased a mother thumper 6lbs hammer and the 911 tool torqued way past the 25 lb limit. 50 wacks with the lead hammer and finally got them off! I now use copper never seize and 3 wacks on each ear with safety wire and have no more problems. Had to polish the knock offs again but they are all looking good.
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03-04-2019, 10:21 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 427
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Quote:
Originally Posted by twobjshelbys
Lead. The lead becomes the sacrifice. If you use dead blow the wing becomes sacrifice. Better to replace hammer head than spinner
If you use it that much that you need to rebuild it you're using it too much or tightening too much. You should get 10 times plus or minus on all 4 wheels if you tighten to the pound where the sound changes pitch.
Ps don't forget anti seize
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The wing nut shouldn't be damaged with a dead blow hammer should it? The dead blow hammer is made of hard rubber. Anyway, I will buy a proper lead hammer.
Thanks.
BD
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03-04-2019, 10:25 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Las Vegas,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby CSX4005LA, Roush 427IR
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Whodeeny
The wing nut shouldn't be damaged with a dead blow hammer should it? The dead blow hammer is made of hard rubber. Anyway, I will buy a proper lead hammer.
Thanks.
BD
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American Hammer lead mallet. Come the time, they will "rebuild" it for a really good price too (it costs alot to ship lead )
I bought mine when the owner was here and made a really good deal for forum members. It's still pretty good given what they have. They even included a little brass hammer that they said was intended to be decorative but in fact is also functional (and I have used it and it's in the toolbox and not on a table)
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03-04-2019, 10:30 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Mill Valley,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA FIA #2064 BOSS 302 CSX2047 sold
Posts: 181
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I think people tighten the knockoffs TOO MUCH. Use anti-seize and don't
beat the piss out of them!
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03-04-2019, 01:26 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: West Chester,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #795 427 S/C completed Jan. '14 - '68 FE 427 side oiler
Posts: 1,047
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Whodeeny
The wing nut shouldn't be damaged with a dead blow hammer should it? The dead blow hammer is made of hard rubber. Anyway, I will buy a proper lead hammer.
Thanks.
BD
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A dead blow hammer doesn't provide the required force that lead does... Also, regarding applying heat, a local guy with a Superformance had a shop use heat and a lead hammer for a stubborn spinner and managed to singe the paint on his wheel...Damn!!! Lesson learned is that even a great mechanic shop that does awesome work on his daily driver isn't necessarily going to know how to deal with these unconventional cars.
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03-04-2019, 03:27 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Moravia,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance ford v8
Posts: 85
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I purchased the (Spinner 9-1-1) knock off spinner removal tool from Cobra Valley. This tool takes the headache out of stuck spinner removal.
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03-04-2019, 03:58 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Little Rock area,
AR
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA Street Roadster #782 with 459 cu in FE KC engine, toploader, 3.31
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I will second Kevins2 that fooling around with dead blow hammers, 2x4s, etc is a complete waste of time on KO wheels. Use a 6 lb lead hammer. Unless you are 250 lbs of pure muscle you shouldn't do any damage to your knock off spinners with a good lead hammer. Also be sure the weight of the car is on the wheels and the wheels on the ground when first loosening the spinners. Otherwise you are just beating your suspension components to bits. I have a Vette with KOs and my ERA. Used to put a piece of plywood on the ear of the Corvette spinner to protect the chrome when striking it with the little lead hammer supplied with the wheels - until I found one loosened up one day. No more of that - I got a 6 lb MT hammer and hammered them on - lead directly on chrome. I've never found a mark on any of my spinners from it.
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03-04-2019, 04:22 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 427 S/C, Twin Paxton 511 FE
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