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Old 04-14-2018, 11:17 AM
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So I have my Inglese IDA system and installed it last fall. I have an issue I don't know how to resolve or if it is really an issue at all?
I set the velocity with the velomiter and got all cylinders balanced ok, but when I go to set the mix screws I started at 1 turn out on all of them.

The front 2 sets of carbs would stumble when starting to screw them in like I would expect. I opened them to about 7/8 open and they come back nicely.

Here is where it got weird, the rear sets of carbs when I screwed them in never went away like I expected. So I opened them more and the engine picked up rpm and idled smoother at about 1.5 to 1.75 turns open. I have tried different jet sizes and get the same results

I checked the air volumes again and they were all even. At this point I thought I had a intake leak so checked the whole thing over with raw propane and found nothing.

I have now pulled the intake and everything looked good on the gaskets and no issues found. I am trying to get rid of my stumble at 2000 to 2500 rpm by adjusting idle jets and air correctors but have a deuce of a time with it.

I am headed out to get new intake gaskets and start all over again, but does anyone have an idea of why the rear 4 pistons want more mix jet?

I have taken the webers off and examined the small holes that feed fuel in above the mix jet needle valve and found all of them to be open. The hole the needle valve screws into is open on all 8 as well.

I will get it reassembled tomorrow and try to set it up again, but I am at a loss??????

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Old 04-14-2018, 03:10 PM
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Kirk,

Can you post some pics of your linkage please?

Can you also supply your carb settings?

What happens when you swap one rear carb with one front carb?

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Gaz,

I have just set the intake manifold gaskets in place and need to let them cure before trimming the excess and starting the reassemble procedure. I have switched 2 of the carburetors to see if the issue travels or stays with the cylinders involved.
I currently have a 100 idle jet holder with a 70 jet and the primary is a F11 with a 170 jet.

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Kirk,

I don't see anything unusual.

Have you got 2 or 3 hole progression?

And now while you are reassembling, we'll wait until you have it running to see what happens next.

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2 hole progression
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Are all the mixture screws the same shape at the pointed end?

Mixture screws are identical?

You will be swapping one or both rear carbs to the front?
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Yes Gary I checked and the mix screws are the same length and dimensions at the end. I will. E swapping just one carb set from back to front.
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Ok Kirk.

We'll all be here for your next lot of testing.

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Well Gary it appears the problem has now switched from cylinders 3,4 to 5,6 along with the Weber set. It also seems to have an effect on cylinders 1,2 like it did on 7,8 when it was on 3,4.
So the cylinders directly across the manifold from it need more fuel in the mixing screw as well as the carb in question.
It must be leaking in air from someplace?
I have a call into Jim Inglese and am waiting on a return call from him.
Bummer but at least it is not the engine.
Thoughts?
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Kirk,

I think Jim will say there is a carburetor issue with the carb that is now on 5 and 6.

If you look at your firing order, you can see how a carb that is not quite right at idle, can seem to affect other cylinders, since their individual vacuum levels drop just as they are called upon the produce power at idle.

Hope that makes sense.

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Seem to be having issues getting any responses from Jim hoping all is well with him?
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I talked with Jim Friday, and have a call scheduled with him Monday so I know he is around. I am following your post closely as I am having a very similar problem with my setup as well. Some of my mixture screws I can adjust to full close with no affect on idle, and some of them change the idle with a very small amount of adjustment. I too have chased air leaks and have yet to find one. My next step I think will be to check my float levels and re-check everything. I am also trying to sort out the same 2500 rpm stumble. Feel free to PM me if you would like. Maybe we can be of some assistance to each other.

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