Having Surgery-Can't go to WSCB- Anyone Want my Spot

[LETSRCE]

Wow Ron, did I hit a nerve?
Your not the idiot I was corisponding with via email are you?
If not, you don't have all the facts so you can't make a factual comment.
And I just checked the mirror to see if your correct, your not

[RodKnock]

I've found out through recent experience that volunteers can sometimes be idiots too. Have you vere been to a PTA meeting? Oh boy.

[Igofastr]

Originally Posted by LETSRCE

Wow Ron, did I hit a nerve?
Your not the idiot I was corisponding with via email are you?
If not, you don't have all the facts so you can't make a factual comment.
And I just checked the mirror to see if your correct, your not

Joe,

No, I have no idea with whom you were previously corresponding. The person may well actually be an idiot, but that doesn't make it any nicer to call them such. As a self-appointed defender of idiots worldwide, and an acquaintance of several of the hard-working organizers of the BASH, I couldn't let that last comment go by unchallenged. The terms of the contract we all agree to when we send in our cash are clearly presented.

Besides, you can catch more flys with honey, than with...

[decooney]

Folks,
It's only a few each year who truly have no idea or no clue or just don't READ agreements before they agree to them. If you are in doubt, go re-read your registration agreement that you agreed to. In particular, the big BOLD letters in RED. Our funds and deposits are committed, insurance, required name lists, security, license plates, cars/types/colors - all this stuff is done well in advance. We don't have the option to just keep changing and changing and changing along the way every time someone runs into thier own conflicts for their own personal matters or schedules. All events are like this. NOTE: We tried the swap/exchange routine the first and second year and it was a huge MESS and not because of us. We had people trying to hold and resell their spots, and buyers committing to buy other people's spots and flaking out at the last minute, or not paying the other person, people not paying each other for rooms, all us getting stuck in the middle. Done, been there, not ever going there again. NEVER. The situation is people say one thing and then do another and then change their minds or pull all sorts of crap last minute or make up fake excuses because they panic and don't want to make the drive in their Cobras or their cars aren't ready or they forget their daughters graduation, you name it. We've had every fake and legitimate excuse in the book then to find out half of those who said they could not make it end up showing up anyhow because they did not want to lose their registration or spot for the next year.


This thread is case and point as to why we don't deal with this kind of stuff and we'd never be able to put on WSCB if we made exceptions for every person who came up with a last minute schedule conflict. If you schedule something on the same day as WSCB, that's your choice. You can attend or not attend. This is your choice, not ours. Surgery, Funeral, Graduation, Brain Fart, doesn't matter. I checked all over on several different events and they have the same policy. This is nothing new, and only new to those who are new. Your conflicts are your conflicts and our dates and funding is set if we are lucky to cover all the bills to put this thing on. All first/second year attendees wanted us to keep the sponsors and complexity out and keep this private, so we did. All the new people want to come along and start trying to make up new rules. The rules were on the agreement that everyone agreed to when they registered. This is why there is an agreement. And this is why it has to be agreed to for you to register.

One thing for sure, anyone who calls me or any of us an idiot at WSCB with absolutely no clue or understanding about what's involved here probably would never appreciate WSCB in the first place. The ratio is there is always about 1-2 dorks in the bunch of every 50 new attendees who try to attend, register, and then flake out on WSCB last minute with some excuse or conflict. That leaves about 198 other people who are able and willing to attend and who make it every year.

Thanks for the thread. It really helps us to reconfirm what we concluded on year one and year two. If you choose not to attend, it's your option and your choice - not ours. And as they say, "Good Luck to Ya".

[FFRCobraMike]

Just to set the record straight, I did delete my message as soon as I heard that there were no transfers or refunds! I can also post a copy of the court order I got today authorizing my surgery and stating that it had to be done within 30 days. The first opening the doctor had was April 28th so I would think that Like most things in this world that a unknown medical issue stated a month and a half before the event should warrant a refund or at least the ability to offer the spot to someone else. However, As I said, I recinded my message and was willing to eat the cost after re-reading the agreement. I personally take offense that I am being accused of being a flake and take the entire message left by Duane as an insult! I think Duane, you owe me an apology at the very least. I am sure there are flakes that cancel at the last minute and I agree there should be a penalty. However this is a month and a half away and I know there are many people that would be willing to pay you directly for my spot if it was available. I think I will post the court order anyway, just to prove that unexpected things happen to the best of us. You remind me of my old bosses who would punish everybody for the problems caused by one or two people. All that does is foster resentment from the innocent people and the guilty one's are oblivious to it anyway. No wonder our country is so screwed up with decision makers like yourself!

[decooney]

Originally Posted by FFRCobraMike

I think Duane, you owe me an apology at the very least. I am sure there are flakes that cancel at the last minute and I agree there should be a penalty...

This one was not actually directed at you. It was the idiots calling out idiots. Saw your deleted post. No apology necessary, and I'll just ignore the rest of your post to be frank. And yeah, the flakes never admit they are flakes, they just come up with really good excuses. Is what it is, and the rest attend. As for the other assumptions about it being 1.5 months away, that statement has no merit as there is no basis or understanding about what we do after we close registration and move on to other things....

Oh well, nuff said, I defer back to the agreement; it's there for this reason and ongoing headaches of debate with those who don't really understand what is involved, and what is at stake here to begin with, Duane

[vanoochka]

Originally Posted by LETSRCE

Wow Ron, did I hit a nerve?
Your not the idiot I was corisponding with via email are you?
If not, you don't have all the facts so you can't make a factual comment.
And I just checked the mirror to see if your correct, your not

I assume the people running the event actually have day jobs, so I'm guessing their motivation for taking a hard line is due the hassle-factor of processing all the cancellations and/or transers.

Anything can happen between now and then, and I'll be pissed if I have to pull out, too. But, I agreed to the terms and took the risk so I certainly won't publicly whine about it if it happens.

This is just my two cents, but if you want to claim the intellectual high ground by calling others idiots, you may want to at least double-check your spelling and grammar while you are doing so.

It's not "your," it's you're.
It's not "corisponding," it's corresponding.

[jmarsey]

vanoochka,

Thank you for catching that glaring detail.

I’ll see you soon on the 19th,

Idiot

[decooney]

For Reference:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/agreement


AGREEMENT, contract. The consent of two or more persons concurring, respecting the transmission of some property, right or benefit, with a view of contracting an obligation. Bac. Ab. h.t.; Com. Dig. h.t.; Vin. Ab. h.t.; Plowd. 17; 1 Com. Contr. 2; 5 East's R. 16. It will be proper to consider, 1, the requisites of an agreement; 2, the kinds of agreements; 3, how they are annulled.
2.-1. To render an agreement complete six things must concur; there must be, 1, a person able to contract; 2, a person able to be contracted with; 3, a thing to be contracted for; 4, a lawful consideration, or quid pro quo; 5, words to express the agreement; 6, the assent of the contracting parties. Plowd. 161; Co. Litt. 35, b.
3.-2. As to their form, agreements are of two kinds; 1, by parol, or, in writing, as contradistinguished from specialties; 2, by specialty, or under seal. In relation to their performance, agreements are executed or executory. An agreement is said to be executed when two or more persons make over their respective rights in a thing to one another, and thereby change the property therein, either presently and at once, or at a future time, upon some event that shall give it full effect, without either party trusting to the other; as where things are bought, paid for and delivered. Executory agreements, in the ordinary acceptation of the term, are such contracts as rest on articles, memorandums, parol promises, or undertakings, and the like, to be performed in future, or which are entered into preparatory to more solemn and formal alienations of property. Powell on Cont. Agreements are also conditional and unconditional. They are conditional when some condition must be fulfilled before they can have full effect; they are unconditional when there is no condition attached;
4.-3. Agreements are annulled or rendered of no effect, first, by the acts of the parties, as, by payment; release - accord and satisfaction; rescission, which is express or implied; 1 Watts & Serg. 442; defeasance; by novation: secondly, by the acts of the law, as, confusion; merger; lapse of time; death, as when a man who has bound himself to teach an apprentice, dies; extinction of the thing which is the subject of the contract, as, when the agreement is to deliver a certain horse and before the time of delivery he dies. See Discharge of a Contract.
5. The writing or instrument containing an agreement is also called an agreement, and sometimes articles of agreement.(q.v.)
6. It is proper, to remark that there is much difference between an agreement and articles of agreement which are only evidence of it. From the moment that the parties have given their consent, the agreement or contract is formed, and, whether it can be proved or not, it has not less the quality to bind both contracting parties. A want of proof does not make it null, because that proof may be supplied aliunde, and the moment it is obtained, the contract may be enforced.
7. Again, the agreement may be mull, as when it was obtained by fraud, duress, and the like; and the articles of agreement may be good, as far as the form is concerned. Vide Contract. Deed; Guaranty; Parties to Contracts.

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In this case, the terms are in the agreement, and you agreed to it if you successfully registered.

[decooney]

Oh, and THANKS to the rest of you who sent me emails and called my cell phone today to alert me about the whining session going on here in this thread on CC. Sorry I did not respond sooner. But, those of you who know us, knew we would. I've been out of state back East dealing with a very serious family matter with a Mother near expiring, and just saw this thread now. Sure takes the rest of the flame out of a person to come back and read this stuff, and I probably am an idiot for putting up with any of it when I do have a regular job that I work 60-hours a week at plus 300-400hrs donated time to WSCB each year, and all for non-profit; not including the rest of the folks who donate their time. Hmmm. We may have to really rethink this for 2009, possibly letting the attendees put on their own event. You can't secure anything or put anything on without non-refundable deposits and expenditures that cannot be refunded. That all comes from attendee registration fees. For us who do donate time, the main reward comes from those who actually show up each year. Thanks to the rest of you for your ongoing support and understanding about how this is all made possible. And, for the rest who still don't understand - we agree to disagree with you, and defer back to the agreement you agreed to.

[thudmaster]

I'm just glad you still put it on.............

[decooney]

Thanks Ed. I'm starting to show some deep scars now, can you tell? Even with rock solid attendee agreements, bold letters on every sentence prefixed with the words "Attention", in Red, repeated several times, over and over again - 1% still like to bash the Bash. Having to hold the line is not fun and I don't enjoy it - at all; not easy. This is the 1% I truly do hate about this donated job. You know if anyone does, my dream is to become a WSCB attendee someday. Just register, drive up, and attend. Wow! Now that would be so simple. Maybe next year, if I can find a capable idiot with some idiot money to pay for the idiot basics I paid for to get this all started, and about 1600 hours of free time invested so far. It would have to jump to 500 cars or so to become profitable. Computer skills required. Know of such an idiot? If so, I'd like to meet that idiot soon. We could have an idiot meeting with an idiotic agenda for 2009 to start working on some idiotic exit strategies for me to transfer idiotic knowledge to the new idiot and team of idiots to run the event for those who are willing to risk it and attend. Hey, this is starting to shape up. Idiots helping idiots to push them just hard enough to make smart decisions. I like it. Hahahahaha.

[ByronRACE]

Since we're on the topic, I'm curious why this event require the selfless donation of volunteers to run it?

Have you considered funding it a little more solidly so you can afford to do things like hire help? I personally wouldn't care if the event was $600-$1000 and managed by a for-profit endeavor. You don't seem to have a problem with attendance and a customer base that can afford it. It seems to me that a move like this wouldn't be a big deal and takes the burden off your shoulders while at the same time allowing for a few frills like a bit more friendly handling of scheduling changes or slot ownership issues. If you're trying to be the nice guy and save us money while at the same time making yourself suffer through it every year, I don't see why; you should get to enjoy the event as well and if it means you have to charge more...then charge more. It's far better than being miserable.

By the way, I'd be happy to donate to Club Cobra if they removed all the banner ads. It's one or the other, in my book. I wouldn't pay for Comcast Cable if they flashed banner ads on the screen during my movies, nor would I pay for phone service if they played an advertisement instead of a ring signal while I'm waiting for a call to connect...the same logic applies here. It's a matter of principle. I find ads flashing in my face very objectionable.

[Ibr8k4vetts]

Originally Posted by ByronRACE

By the way, I'd be happy to donate to Club Cobra if they removed all the banner ads. It's one or the other, in my book. I wouldn't pay for Comcast Cable if they flashed banner ads on the screen during my movies, nor would I pay for phone service if they played an advertisement instead of a ring signal while I'm waiting for a call to connect...the same logic applies here. It's a matter of principle. I find ads flashing in my face very objectionable.

What do you think they play EVERY 15 minutes during your movie? and you still play them!

[jmarsey]

I like where this rant is going. actually interesting. Folks finally dumping on the Cobra Bash. That’s a good thing to explore. Healthy I guess. All we ever hear is how great it is and please, don’t change it, don’t make it another commercial driven event, and keep it just the way it is…intimate, like a family, that’s what keeps it special.

But this is good. We’ve never had a “bash the Bash” discussion and for constructive reasons, certainly. So if you’re going to rip it, than rip it. But first I think you should understand what the Cobra Bash is and why it’s organized the way it is. That would require asking some questions first. I would not want anyone to end up looking foolish. Just a suggestion for those who may want to jump on this bandwagon.

Take care