Whats CSX1001 Value? (Your Opinion)

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by Dcmgt

The reincarnation of AC that made the 1000 series body/chassis did not use the original 427 bucks. Those bucks were long gone and Angliss made new ones in the 70's in order to make all the replacement panels and new cars from then on.

This is certainly debatable. Brian certainly started making replacement parts prior to getting officially involved with AC and had to make his own tooling to do so.

However, in an earlier thread, I mentioned that in an early SAAC magazine. AC while still under the Herlock's (sp?) ownership was offering to sell replacement bodies and chassis for a variety of Cobra body styles made from the original tooling. So in the late 1970's, AC still claimed to have the original tooling. And it was years later before Brian purchased equipment from AC. So it is possible that at some point Brian did acquire the original tooling. I'm not saying that he did, only that there is a possibility that he could have acquired it.

If I remember, I can scan the advertisement from the SAAC magazine after I get home.

[DMXF]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

AC while still under the Herlock's (sp?) ownership was offering to sell replacement bodies and chassis for a variety of Cobra body styles made from the original tooling.

McCluskey, who was involved in buying bodies and chassis from the UK back then, confirmed a long time ago that AC had a good relationship with Angliss and was intending on simply marketing Brian's 427 panels. It appears that to avoid the extra middle man cost, everyone just simply went directly to Angliss and AC never became a player. I recall AC may have still supplied some 289 panels by that time, because some of the small block bucks were still around, but their 427 panel effort died in the 60's.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

This is certainly debatable. Brian certainly started making replacement parts prior to getting officially involved with AC and had to make his own tooling to do so.

However, in an earlier thread, I mentioned that in an early SAAC magazine. AC while still under the Herlock's (sp?) ownership was offering to sell replacement bodies and chassis for a variety of Cobra body styles made from the original tooling. So in the late 1970's, AC still claimed to have the original tooling. And it was years later before Brian purchased equipment from AC. So it is possible that at some point Brian did acquire the original tooling. I'm not saying that he did, only that there is a possibility that he could have acquired it.

If I remember, I can scan the advertisement from the SAAC magazine after I get home.

Although the general consensus is that the 427 bucks were trashed, here is the advertisement I mentioned.



I think we'll need Ned or Trevor to explain what a "289 S/C" is.

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Although the general consensus is that the 427 bucks were trashed, here is the advertisement I mentioned.



I think we'll need Ned or Trevor to explain what a "289 S/C" is.

I might be missing your point.... what does bucks in 1977 have to do with when this car was made?

And my guess on the 289 S/C would be a misused name for the AC Sports 289.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by Power Surge

I might be missing your point.... what does bucks in 1977 have to do with when this car was made?

And my guess on the 289 S/C would be a misused name for the AC Sports 289.

I was arguing that the 427 buck may have still existed in 1977 and still belonged to AC. Other posters argue that it was no longer in existence at that point and that Brian Angliss had built his own 427 buck by then. The advertisement implies that the original "mold" would be used to create replacement bodies. Someone else claimed that the AC replacement bodies were actually made by Brian Angliss and that AC was just acting as a middle man, and they were simply cut out of the picture when you could just buy the bodies from Brian directly.

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

I was arguing that the 427 buck may have still existed in 1977 and still belonged to AC. Other posters argue that it was no longer in existence at that point and that Brian Angliss had built his own 427 buck by then. The advertisement implies that the original "mold" would be used to create replacement bodies. Someone else claimed that the AC replacement bodies were actually made by Brian Angliss and that AC was just acting as a middle man, and they were simply cut out of the picture when you could just buy the bodies from Brian directly.

I see. That all makes sense, but is still over 20-25 years ago and several business owners from when the car was made. I'll be the first to admit I don't know for sure WHO actually made the CSX1000 series bodies, but if I had to guess, I'd guess maybe Brooklands.

I am sure once Ron, Trev, or some of the other Cobra smarts see those pics, they will know if they are the original bucks or not. Just going off my memory of seeing pics in the past, they don't look like them to me.

[1ntCobra]

Trevor,

I hope you don't mind me scanning a picture from your book...

Here is the Brian Angliss AC MkIV body bucks. The one on the left does look significantly different than the pictures from Gary's gallery. I don't think the buck on the right looks like the one from Gary's pictures either.



However the AC MkIV body is different than the 427 Cobra body, so a new buck would have been made just for the AC MkIV body. The assumption is that the pictures in Gary's gallery are of a Brian Angliss replacement buck from the 1970s. It is interesting to note that AC MkIV buck built by Brian in the 1980s looks significantly different, but that does not prove anything.