Club Cobra Keith Craft Motorsports  

Go Back   Club Cobra > Manufacturers, Engine Builders, tools, and parts. > AC MKIV

MMG Superformance
Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
Main Menu
Module Jump:
Nevada Classics
Nevada Classics
Keith Craft Racing
MMG Superformance
Advertise at CC
Banner Ad Rates
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
Keith Craft Racing
November 2025
S M T W T F S
            1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30            

Kirkham Motorsports

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 2 votes, 2.00 average. Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 09-22-2008, 06:49 PM
1ntCobra's Avatar
Abnormal CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Pottstown (East Coventry), PA
Cobra Make, Engine: Don't think I'll be getting a Cobra for a long time... Do have '94 RX-7 R2.
Posts: 2,334
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1ntCobra View Post
This is certainly debatable. Brian certainly started making replacement parts prior to getting officially involved with AC and had to make his own tooling to do so.

However, in an earlier thread, I mentioned that in an early SAAC magazine. AC while still under the Herlock's (sp?) ownership was offering to sell replacement bodies and chassis for a variety of Cobra body styles made from the original tooling. So in the late 1970's, AC still claimed to have the original tooling. And it was years later before Brian purchased equipment from AC. So it is possible that at some point Brian did acquire the original tooling. I'm not saying that he did, only that there is a possibility that he could have acquired it.

If I remember, I can scan the advertisement from the SAAC magazine after I get home.
Although the general consensus is that the 427 bucks were trashed, here is the advertisement I mentioned.



I think we'll need Ned or Trevor to explain what a "289 S/C" is.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 09-22-2008, 07:09 PM
Power Surge's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Palm Coast, FL
Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby American CSX 4241 - authentically built
Posts: 2,573
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1ntCobra View Post
Although the general consensus is that the 427 bucks were trashed, here is the advertisement I mentioned.



I think we'll need Ned or Trevor to explain what a "289 S/C" is.

I might be missing your point.... what does bucks in 1977 have to do with when this car was made?

And my guess on the 289 S/C would be a misused name for the AC Sports 289.
__________________
Sal Mennella
CSX 4241, KMP 357 - sold and missed, CSX 4819 - cancelled, FFR 5132 - sold

See my car at CSXinfo.net here >> CSX 4241
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 09-22-2008, 07:40 PM
1ntCobra's Avatar
Abnormal CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Pottstown (East Coventry), PA
Cobra Make, Engine: Don't think I'll be getting a Cobra for a long time... Do have '94 RX-7 R2.
Posts: 2,334
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Power Surge View Post
I might be missing your point.... what does bucks in 1977 have to do with when this car was made?

And my guess on the 289 S/C would be a misused name for the AC Sports 289.
I was arguing that the 427 buck may have still existed in 1977 and still belonged to AC. Other posters argue that it was no longer in existence at that point and that Brian Angliss had built his own 427 buck by then. The advertisement implies that the original "mold" would be used to create replacement bodies. Someone else claimed that the AC replacement bodies were actually made by Brian Angliss and that AC was just acting as a middle man, and they were simply cut out of the picture when you could just buy the bodies from Brian directly.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 09-22-2008, 07:49 PM
Power Surge's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Palm Coast, FL
Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby American CSX 4241 - authentically built
Posts: 2,573
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1ntCobra View Post
I was arguing that the 427 buck may have still existed in 1977 and still belonged to AC. Other posters argue that it was no longer in existence at that point and that Brian Angliss had built his own 427 buck by then. The advertisement implies that the original "mold" would be used to create replacement bodies. Someone else claimed that the AC replacement bodies were actually made by Brian Angliss and that AC was just acting as a middle man, and they were simply cut out of the picture when you could just buy the bodies from Brian directly.
I see. That all makes sense, but is still over 20-25 years ago and several business owners from when the car was made. I'll be the first to admit I don't know for sure WHO actually made the CSX1000 series bodies, but if I had to guess, I'd guess maybe Brooklands.

I am sure once Ron, Trev, or some of the other Cobra smarts see those pics, they will know if they are the original bucks or not. Just going off my memory of seeing pics in the past, they don't look like them to me.
__________________
Sal Mennella
CSX 4241, KMP 357 - sold and missed, CSX 4819 - cancelled, FFR 5132 - sold

See my car at CSXinfo.net here >> CSX 4241
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 09-22-2008, 08:01 PM
1ntCobra's Avatar
Abnormal CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Pottstown (East Coventry), PA
Cobra Make, Engine: Don't think I'll be getting a Cobra for a long time... Do have '94 RX-7 R2.
Posts: 2,334
Not Ranked     
Default

Trevor,

I hope you don't mind me scanning a picture from your book...

Here is the Brian Angliss AC MkIV body bucks. The one on the left does look significantly different than the pictures from Gary's gallery. I don't think the buck on the right looks like the one from Gary's pictures either.



However the AC MkIV body is different than the 427 Cobra body, so a new buck would have been made just for the AC MkIV body. The assumption is that the pictures in Gary's gallery are of a Brian Angliss replacement buck from the 1970s. It is interesting to note that AC MkIV buck built by Brian in the 1980s looks significantly different, but that does not prove anything.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:57 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: CC Policy
Links monetized by VigLink