Drag race - Kirkham 65 side-oiler vs Ferrari 458 italia

henrik · #1 (**permalink**) 01-30-2011, 02:43 AM

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coosawjack · #2 (**permalink**) 01-30-2011, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by henrik

This post sounds like spam - a boy dreaming

If you really have the car - why dont' you just race... either side by side or... - if you can afford a 2011 ferrari you can afford a race

No way people in here would know the result on forehand - too many variables!

Moderator: May I suggest that a time delay is implemented - that a new person should sign up 24 hours prior to first post.

It is a shame to see how many spammers that infiltrate the forum - I'm sure it makes serious people stay away when help is needed...

My first thought as well.....SPAMMERS!!!

750hp · #3 (**permalink**) 01-30-2011, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by henrik

This post sounds like spam - a boy dreaming

I see spam as an automatically generated account that posts bulk messages like those emails offering to increase your 6 inch to a footlong, and I'm not talking about Subway...

Even if OP doesn't own the Ferrari, he's not the first person to post on Club Cobra and to start an interesting conversation that gets people thinking. Seems like others are also keen to see if one of the best Cobra brands can beat one of Ferrari's best models...

Stentor · #4 (**permalink**) 01-30-2011, 05:34 AM

Depends on the specs of the Kirkham. Is the engine a relatively "mild" standard bore/stroke 427 FE? Or is it a big bore/stroked aluminum FE putting out over 600 hp?

If it's the latter, I will take the odds of the Kirkham consistently dipping below 11.5 seconds in the quarter mile (assuming he doesn't break something with the slicks).

CobraDan · #5 (**permalink**) 01-30-2011, 05:47 AM

Buzz · #6 (**permalink**) 01-30-2011, 06:14 AM

I agree with others that given an inexperienced pilot, the Cobra will be far more difficult to race, but in the mean time, let's settle this with some bench racing.
Has anyone on here pushed their 427 powered Kirkham to 11.5 or better in the 1/4 mile? Different driver, car, tires, motor, etc yes; but I would think in theory at least, the Cobra stacks up well.

tommygold · #7 (**permalink**) 01-30-2011, 06:43 AM

I'm the OP. Hi everyone. What an amazing community -- post something late at night on Saturday and get a terrific, sometimes detailed, set of responses.

Neither spam nor a troll. I'm a Washington lawyer. I got the 458 (black on black) around 3 weeks ago from Ferrari of DC. It's a 2011 and has about 480 miles on it now.

My buddy is a Venture Capital guy who lives in Las Vegas. He's had the Kirkham for a year and has put about 20 miles on it, embarrassingly. He bought it used in 06, and he says that it is registered as a 65.

The race will be at the Las Vegas Speedway. I just need to ship the car out there.

So this is definitely for real, and the stakes are definitely very high.

It sounds like the key question here is to get some more details on his car. I apologize -- I'm neither a car guy generally, nor someone who knows Cobras certainly.

I do know that he has a side-oiler, and that he doesn't have anything else special intended to make the car hyperfast, such as nitrous. If you let me know what questions to ask about his engine, I'll be glad to.

In terms of the slicks, he bought the car with them on, and I think he just thinks they look cool. I tend to think that the slicks will earn him about one second over my tires in the quarter mile.

My great advantage does seem to be at the start, when my computer can deal with the launch and he has to generate a great start. Then I get the advantage of the shifts.

He will invest the time to get the shifting down better. There's a lot of money and pride at stake.

It will be videotaped.

Thanks for all your responses.

Silverback51 · #8 (**permalink**) 01-30-2011, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tommygold

My buddy is a Venture Capital guy who lives in Las Vegas. He's had the Kirkham for a year and has put about 20 miles on it, embarrassingly. He bought it used in 06, and he says that it is registered as a 65.

I'm sorry, but to me this looks like a recipe for disaster.

He has owned the Cobra since 06 and has put 20 miles on it. Experience in the Cobra will be zero. Based on what I have read so far, both of these gentlemen have large egos (and I do not mean this in a negative way) and their ego and pride will be on the line in this race. That means neither will be willing to lift and possibly loose if something goes wrong.

I hope and pray I'm wrong on this. And that the Cobra wins.

I just noticed something funny here. In one sentence he states he's owned the Kirkham for a year, but the next sentence says he bought it used in 06.

Somethings going on.

decooney · #9 (**permalink**) 01-30-2011, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tommygold

I'm the OP..... "He's had the Kirkham for a year and has put about 20 miles on it"

This to me is a key statement. If your buddy truly only has about 20 miles on his Cobra, or if you know he has not had much experience driving other high torque Cobras in the past, this will make it an interesting race. And, if he has not learned to launch a Cobra, or how to heat up the tires to launch it properly, I'm thinking he better have a whole lot of horsepower to make up for mistakes at the start and catch you somewhere down the track; if he knows how to use it. Can you film this with 3+ cameras at Launch, from behind, and at the end of the track finish line?

My vote goes to the person who puts in the best practice runs beforehand and does not break or degrade their drivetrain too much before the race.

mdross1 · #10 (**permalink**) 02-02-2011, 05:02 AM

An aweful lot of speculation,I say who really cares what the outcome is just go do it and have a ball.Could be the start of something that might catch on.I would be proud to pilot either car.More so in my own car because it was built starting with bare frame,and know this machine inside and out.Hope we get to hear about the results.

computerworks · #11 (**permalink**) 01-30-2011, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by henrik

It is a shame to see how many spammers that infiltrate the forum - I'm sure it makes serious people stay away when help is needed...

Really? I thought we have been doing a pretty damn good job of policing spam posts.
Between automation, virtually 24-hour moderation and quickly-reported spam posts, I think we keep the place pretty sanitized.

tommygold may be a troll, but it ain't spam.

We'll give him 48 hours to move the discussion forward, and then make a judgment.

ron
ClubCobra Moderator

trularin · #12 (**permalink**) 02-03-2011, 08:36 AM

Every once-in-a-while there is a thread that is going to be fun to read. This is going to be such a thread.

PLease tell us all.

csx4910 · #13 (**permalink**) 02-03-2011, 08:42 AM

Since we haven't had a post from Ferrari guy in quite a while I am starting to wonder if one of them chickened out or it was all just trying to gather info before he even makes the bet with the guy. I, for one are calling BS until someone posts a date for the race.