Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 1361453)

JoesGarage: What Shelby do you own? Waiting.

Originally Posted by Paul F (Post 1361457)

Judge Walsh further wrote:

"Furthermore, we find no meaningful
distinction between what applicant often refers to as a
continuation, on the one hand, and a replica, on the other
hand. Both applicant’s “continuations” and the third-party
replicas are being sold principally in kit form. It is
evident that both are intended to replicate the original
1960s Cobras, including the Cobra 427 S/C."

and

"In 1992, Shelby began to produce “continuations” or
replicas of the original Cobras, including the Cobra 427
S/C, primarily in kit form. A kit typically includes a chassis and body,
but the purchaser is then required to assemble and complete
the car with a transmission and engine and possibly other
parts. Mr. Shelby identified the replicas of the Cobra 427
S/C with the designation CSX 4000.
Shelby has sold the Cobra replica kits for $50,000 to
$150,000."

and

"It is one thing to recognize the legendary status of
Mr. Shelby and the original Cobras, including the 427 S/C,
and quite another to assert that purchasers and potential
purchasers view Cobra continuations or replicas, sold
primarily as kits, which employ the Cobra 427 S/C Design as
coming from a single source. The fact that Cobra replicas,
sold primarily as kits, which employ the 427 S/C Design,
have been sold by numerous third parties for more than
three decades, including between 2002 and 2009, precludes
us from drawing that conclusion. Accordingly, we find
applicant’s evidence based on media coverage of Mr. Shelby
and all of the Cobras not probative of the issue of
acquired distinctiveness." ,,,

Originally Posted by Paul F (Post 1361457)

Judge Walsh further wrote:

"Furthermore, we find no meaningful
distinction between what applicant often refers to as a
continuation, on the one hand, and a replica, on the other
hand. Both applicant’s “continuations” and the third-party
replicas are being sold principally in kit form. It is
evident that both are intended to replicate the original
1960s Cobras, including the Cobra 427 S/C."

and

"In 1992, Shelby began to produce “continuations” or
replicas of the original Cobras, including the Cobra 427
S/C, primarily in kit form. A kit typically includes a chassis and body,
but the purchaser is then required to assemble and complete
the car with a transmission and engine and possibly other
parts. Mr. Shelby identified the replicas of the Cobra 427
S/C with the designation CSX 4000.
Shelby has sold the Cobra replica kits for $50,000 to
$150,000."

and

"It is one thing to recognize the legendary status of
Mr. Shelby and the original Cobras, including the 427 S/C,
and quite another to assert that purchasers and potential
purchasers view Cobra continuations or replicas, sold
primarily as kits, which employ the Cobra 427 S/C Design as
coming from a single source. The fact that Cobra replicas,
sold primarily as kits, which employ the 427 S/C Design,
have been sold by numerous third parties for more than
three decades, including between 2002 and 2009, precludes
us from drawing that conclusion. Accordingly, we find
applicant’s evidence based on media coverage of Mr. Shelby
and all of the Cobras not probative of the issue of
acquired distinctiveness."

All Cobras are kits. If someone were producing a Cobra today, it would have all of the required equipment such as 5 mph bumpers, air bags, and catalytic converters.

The VIN of a Shelby is indistinguishable from a Factory Five or a '34 Ford coupe kit; having been assigned by the state instead of the manufacturer.

But none of that matters. What matters is that your Cobra has a genuine CSX nameplate. If money and/or pride in ownership is what matters, we can all see the recognition that CSX nameplate gets at the auction block. It's a kit. But you can be proud to be one of the few that have a genuine Shelby.

Its been fun once again to kick this around. One day we will meet and I'll get a look at your beautiful Cobra.

Cheers

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage (Post 1361465)

When it's completed I'll post pictures and gladly talk about it, until then I suggest you focus on a much more serious problem -

Originally Posted by jhv48 (Post 1361468)

Game, set, match!

Or is it?

Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 1361452)

I agree. It's a technically a true replica of the original Series Cobra. No argument.

Originally Posted by ChiChris (Post 1361462)

My IL title had my CSX number listed as the VIN and listed as a 1965 Shelby Cobra.

Originally Posted by cycleguy55 (Post 1361470)

It would be done a lot quicker if you focused more on your car and less on this never-ending thread... :LOL:

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys (Post 1361484)

I've been searching for a better adjective to describe the Shelby cars. CS called them "continuation" but I think "genuine" might be better. It's easier to describe it as still being manufactured by Shelby American, but a modern instantiation.

I read the court's opinion a long time ago and while the judge used the term "kit" I did not see a definition of the term. A lot of people use the term and when I ask them to define it they all think the car arrived in boxes and had to be fully assembled. Then try to describe "finished roller".

Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1361474)

Dear all, I think we are done here. :)

Originally Posted by jhv48 (Post 1361497)

I think we're in overtime now.

Basically, Evan agrees his car is not an original, 60's cobra.
He also agrees that his is a genuine Shelby Continuation cobra.
And finally, he agrees his is a replica.

The only thing he fudges on is his choice of words when asked "the question".
He tells the truth, but not the whole truth, thus leaving the inquisitor with the impression that he is looking at an original, 60's era, Shelby Cobra.
Being a lawyer, you would think he would be able to answer "the question" completely and truthfully so that the person asking the question understood that he was not, in fact, looking at an original Shelby cobra but a replica of an original Shelby cobra made by Shelby.

Evan, you spend all this time and money on a car that, at best, is still a copy of an original. And then you choose (through omission of pertinent information) to let others believe it too.

Why don't you just buy an original and be done with it? Pony up and then you won't have to mislead the public any longer. You'll be able to answer "the question" truthfully by simply saying "YES".

Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1361494)

"Genuine" is terrible adjective to describe the Shelby Cobra replica.

According to the SAAC Registry, I own a "genuine" Cobra, but while Evan's was produced by Shelby, my "genuine" Cobra was produced by Kirkham. See the Registry under Kirkham Cobra. Neither Cobra is "genuine" or authentic. Ned Scudder is the SAAC Cobra Registrar for GENUINE (no quotation marks) Cobras (i.e., 1960's 2000 and 3000 series Cobras).

It's just word play. Seriously, they're all just replicas. And SAAC should "disconnect" themselves from keeping track of anything not built in the 1960's.

As for the difference between "kit" or "finished roller", it's just more word play, or semantics. A "finished roller" is a "kit", because you still have to buy and install an engine and transmission and a bunch of other little parts to get the thing running and driving properly.

Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 1361512)

BTW Jhv8 whats on your license plate? I think I'll go look.
Cheers. ;)

Originally Posted by jhv48 (Post 1361514)

I must have hit a nerve. No matter how many words you throw at the subject, your car still isn't an original. And if you are really that passionate about it, buy an original.

And, since you asked, my plate says 427-SNAK. and when asked if mine is real, I reply "no, it's a replica." I guess my ego is smaller than yours.

Originally Posted by jhv48 (Post 1361518)

Nice try, Evan, but I'm not going to bite.

You're too much fun to mess with. And much too easy to provoke.

Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 1361513)

First, while Ned is an expert on original cars that doesn't give him the ability to change facts and ongoing history. Sorry. Secondly, while Ned is entitled to his own personal opinions on the continuation cars the fact is he is not speaking on behalf of SAAC here. His personal opinion does not invalidate the official position of SAAC as set forth in the Registry and even if his singular personal opinion were at odds with what's in the Registry and I wouldn't be surprised if he voiced a position at committee meetings it was obviously overruled by the other committee members. The official position is in black and white. Of course you don't like it and continue to set forth your opinions about the "wording" as "unfair", wrong, misguided etc..etc..twisting yourself into a pretzel with twisted arguments and logic to debunk the Registry.

See your opinion/position means nothing and carries 0 weight with anyone but you and those who don't own Shleby Cobras who feel better about what they own by bringing down what someone else owns. Yuck.

The World Registry of Cobras & GT40s on the other hand is a world recognized and respected authoritative text.

Maybe you should write them a strongly worded letter. :LOL:

Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 1361513)

..... those who don't own Shleby Cobras.....

Originally Posted by xb-60 (Post 1361528)

Ahh, the penny has finally dropped :)
You're talking about a real Shleby Cobra!