How do you handle the questions?

[Jaydee]

Mines not on the road yet, but after all this debate I might be getting personalized plates that read: fake 1. And put some stickers on it that say experimental. Like one of, ultralight aircraft. Maybe make up some business cards explaining the whole kit thing.
JD

[Buzz]

Is this old thread resurrection month?

I have to wonder though - is Shelby's chili mix worth more than non-Shelby chili mixes? Or does it just make you "go" faster?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Is this old thread resurrection month?

I have to wonder though - is Shelby's chili mix worth more than non-Shelby chili mixes? Or does it just make you "go" faster?

I don't know about his chili being worth more than other chilli but his cars are usually worth more than other similar cars.

BTW: Can you still get Shelby's Chili? I would like to try it. That is if it doesn't cost to much.

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I don't know about his chili being worth more than other chilli but his cars are usually worth more than other similar cars.

BTW: Can you still get Shelby's Chili? I would like to try it. That is if it doesn't cost to much.

My recollection is that it went out of production in 2001. Owners were unable to pass the stringent new emissions regulations.
BTW - note that even though it's made by Shelby, the Old Man himself acknowledged that it was a kit - says so right on the label

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I don't know about his chili being worth more than other chilli but his cars are usually worth more than other similar cars.

BTW: Can you still get Shelby's Chili? I would like to try it. That is if it doesn't cost to much.

I bought Shelby's Chili mix a few years ago and tried it. Lots of heat, decent but not spectacular flavour. IMO it was over-hyped, over-rated and over-priced for what it was, and there were better choices.

I'll leave it to others to draw analogies...

[Paul F]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Is this old thread resurrection month?

Yes, I regurgitated this on purpose. In the other regurgitated thread, I mentioned that I would find an old thread and make a random comment in it. I ended up grabbing this classic that was still open (most of these diatribes are closed). But I ended up not posting a random question (as was done to restart the other thread), but just decided to give this one a sarcastic post to see what would happen.

I was pleased to see that it sat quietly for 2-1/2 days. It really was surprising to see that everyone was able to hold their tongues. But alas, it was not to be.

One of these days there will be a national "Is it real" conference. We will all get together face-to-face and hammer this out. Then an official publication will come out that will declare the official responses approved by the Is It Real committee. There will be training videos showing you how to respond and also followup responses depending upon what the comeback is from the inquirer.

Local chapters will be formed to adjust the responses to the local vernacular. The local chapters will have workshops where people can practice their answers in real-world situations.

Finally, there will be tests at random car meets where we will send in secret is-it-real testers who will go up to fake Cobras and ask them "Is it real?" and record their responses.

....and all I'm drinking is a soda water.

[REAL 1]

Don't need that. We already have the SAAC World Registry of Cobras & GT40s. It's already been dealt with. Highly recommend you buy one.

My responses are dictated by that authoritative text so I don't need to hammer anything out. I'm good thanks.

[Paul F]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Don't need that. We already have the SAAC World Registry of Cobras & GT40s. It's already been dealt with. Highly recommend you buy one.

My responses are dictated by that authoritative text so I don't need to hammer anything out. I'm good thanks.

That is precisely why we have to have the conference. As one of our members, you are presenting only part of the data. The registry is a special-interest publication. It is written by and for a specific group with specific interests. We can hardly consider it as un-biased testimony on the matter.

We also have the court ruling, which you never mention. Three judges, having no interest whatsoever in the matter, clearly stated that the non-60's Shelby Cobras are kit cars.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Paul F

That is precisely why we have to have the conference. As one of our members, you are presenting only part of the data. The registry is a special-interest publication. It is written by and for a specific group with specific interests. We can hardly consider it as un-biased testimony on the matter.

We also have the court ruling, which you never mention. Three judges, having no interest whatsoever in the matter, clearly stated that the non-60's Shelby Cobras are kit cars.

Yes, the Registry is a special interest publication. Its purpose is set forth very clearly within the Registry. The Shelby American automobile club registry is not testimony. It is a compendium of facts, information and history from experts and authorities with regard to the history, manufacture and origin of The Shelby cobra and GT 40s and a catalog of Shelby cobras and GT 40s.

If you guys feel you can do it better and have an authoritative glossary of definitions like the Registry have at it. The intimation that your conference or panel or whatever you wish to call your fantasy gathering would be unbiased is laughable in the extreme. As funny as the Iranians being able to have their own inspectors. LOL.

When you put together your catalog or whatever it is you would like to publish and when This publication or guide begins to be actually purchased and used as a reference by Shelby cobra owners then I will take time out of my day to take a look at it.

As to the "federal opinion" the reason why I do not reference it is because it is irrelevant to the issue being discussed now. Perhaps you should have your "star chamber" legal counsel explain to you the difference between "dicta" and the "holding" of a decision and opinion.

Also if you were going to cite a court opinion please provide us with a copy of the opinion and page to which you were referring.

[Paul F]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

When you put together your catalog or whatever it is you would like to publish and when This publication or guide begins to be actually purchased and used as a reference by Shelby cobra owners then I will take time out of my day to take a look at it.

Look at it? We need you to help us write it at the conference. The document will be nothing like the SAAC registry. It will not be a catalog. It is a guide to the non-60's Cobra owner as to how to respond to 'the question'. This threads' original intent was to discuss how to answer the question. Many owners have a lot angst about how to deal with the question. You clearly have a lot to contribute for those that own continuation Cobras.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

As to the "federal opinion" the reason why I do not reference it is because it is irrelevant to the issue being discussed now. Perhaps you should have your "star chamber" legal counsel explain to you the difference between "dicta" and the "holding" of a decision and opinion.

Also if you were going to cite a court opinion please provide us with a copy of the opinion and page to which you were referring.

Too much legal mumbo jumbo. I have no idea what you are trying to say. All I know is the judges said Shelby Cobras built after the 60's are kit cars. No, I can't present it as you well know the website that had the judgement or whatever you lawyers call it, took it down. But you probably have a copy of it and I know you are not willing to share it. You've said so in the past.

[REAL 1]

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[Buzz]

Originally Posted by Paul F

Yes, I regurgitated this on purpose. In the other regurgitated thread, I mentioned that I would find an old thread and make a random comment in it. I ended up grabbing this classic that was still open (most of these diatribes are closed). But I ended up not posting a random question (as was done to restart the other thread), but just decided to give this one a sarcastic post to see what would happen.

I was pleased to see that it sat quietly for 2-1/2 days. It really was surprising to see that everyone was able to hold their tongues. But alas, it was not to be.

One of these days there will be a national "Is it real" conference. We will all get together face-to-face and hammer this out. Then an official publication will come out that will declare the official responses approved by the Is It Real committee. There will be training videos showing you how to respond and also followup responses depending upon what the comeback is from the inquirer.

Local chapters will be formed to adjust the responses to the local vernacular. The local chapters will have workshops where people can practice their answers in real-world situations.

Finally, there will be tests at random car meets where we will send in secret is-it-real testers who will go up to fake Cobras and ask them "Is it real?" and record their responses.

....and all I'm drinking is a soda water.

I love it!!! We can call the publication

SAACK
THE NUTS & BOLTS OF DEALING WITH KIT KAR KWESTIONS
101 BALLSY COMEBACKS INSIDE!!

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Paul F

,,,The answer is 'It is a kit car'. I know you don't think so, but if it isn't a 196x Cobra, it is a kit car; at least in the eyes of the person that is asking (this includes Shelby continuation cars per judges Rogers, Walsh and Bergsman),,,

Say it isn't so!!

Originally Posted by Paul F

,,,Finally, there will be tests at random car meets where we will send in secret is-it-real testers who will go up to fake Cobras and ask them "Is it real?" and record their responses,,,

You'll need about 30 minutes to record Evan's response, do your best to contain the laughter, thank you.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Say it isn't so!!



You'll need about 30 minutes to record Evan's response, do your best to contain the laughter, thank you.

Please enlighten me as to what was funny with regard to anything I have said. I could use a good laugh. Wait... Maybe it was the total debunking of your effort to totally minimize Shelby's primary role in the creation of the cobra and to elevate ACs work beyond what it actually was in the creation of the Cobra. That was actually funny.